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Why you should vote Democratic on Nov 7th

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewYorker, Nov 3, 2006.

  1. Burzmali

    Burzmali Member

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    Al Queda is a work in progress. We can't have our policy dictated by whether or not people will like it.

    Our ability to guide policy in world affairs should come from our military and economic dominance.
     
  2. mc mark

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    You do realize that (at least for now) we live in a democracy right?
     
  3. Burzmali

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    Yes, but the world as a whole is not a democracy. We'll get there someday.
     
  4. Faos

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    I stopped reading after this sentence.
     
  5. mc mark

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    I thought you didn't care about the rest of the world?

    I'm out! Giants - Texan's baby!
     
  6. Burzmali

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    I care about the rest of the world. I'd like to see America control the rest of the world, I think it would improve the overall quality of life.
     
  7. ths balla

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    yea man whats with all the name calling did you not get hugged enough as a kid, we all have different opinions on the situation but it seems the only ones here that are acting immature are the liberals cause u all just keep calling people names. Lets grow up a little guys.
     
  8. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Our ability to guide policy is derived through moral authority. This is not a video game.
     
  9. FranchiseBlade

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    I didn't call anyone a name. The liberals on here are not innocent, but please look up any of TJ's post to see the terms libpigs being used with abandon.

    Please look on other posts showing conservatives accusing liberals of wanting terrorists/Saddam to win calling us traitors or all sorts of stuff, which is far worse than anything I have seen liberals call conservatives.

    But again I wasn't calling anyone a name here. Just making a joke about how someone would have to be crazy to call the Clinton economy a big mess.
     
  10. NewYorker

    NewYorker Ghost of Clutch Fans

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    No, but we can't take a simplistic view to solving problems - if anything the last 4 years has shown us what a disaster that's been.
     
  11. NewYorker

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    Let me explain why this is false.

    Imagine if in the next election, there were 40 million people who went to the polls and voted for themselves instead of the democratic or republican ticket. Well, both parties would react to that strongly - trying to court those voters - understand who they are. The "disenfrancised" would count again, and politicians would start strategizing how to get their vote.

    You see, those people aren't voting right now. If someone who gets turned off by negative political ads decides not to vote - then that means negative political ads will continue. Because the person who is turned off by them no longer represents themselves.

    But if you go to the polls regardless - then you defeat those ads and make them useless. Do you know why negative ads are run? To discourage people from going to vote!!!!

    You see, your vote is far more precious then you think. If you waste it by not voting...you're just taking power away from yourself and placing it in the hands of those who do vote.

    Why be proud to live in a democracy when you're ready to hand that right over so easily?
     
  12. Burzmali

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    I'd vote Democratic for another JFK. But this time, he should not half-ass Bay of Pigs.
     
  13. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Either that, or the Republican candidate in you district better represents what you want out of your government than the Democrat. You know, that whole representative democracy thing.
    More devided on race than when black people were considered property to be bought and sold? More divided politically than when the country was split in two and plunged into civil war? Time to dial down the rhetoric a bit.
    Wow, another doozie. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Benedict Arnold, the list could go on and on. All of them were in politics. You must have a very low opinion of Bush indeed.
     
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  14. NewYorker

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    If you are having to call up the civil war and Hitler to counter my argument - I think I've made my point pretty well.
     
  15. rimrocker

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    Molly:

    May I remind you what this election is about? Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, unprecedented presidential powers, unmatched incompetence, unparalleled corruption, unwarranted eavesdropping, Katrina, Enron, Halliburton, global warming, Cheney’s secret energy task force, record oil company profits, $3 gasoline, FEMA, the Supreme Court, Diebold, Florida in 2000, Ohio in 2004, Terri Schiavo, stem cell research, golden parachutes, shrunken pensions, unavailable and expensive healthcare, habeas corpus, no weapons of mass destruction, sacrificed soldiers and Iraqi civilians, wasted billions, Taliban resurgence, expiration of the assault weapons ban, North Korea, Iran, intelligent design, Swift boat hit squads, and on and on.

    This election is about that, but much more—it’s about honor, dignity and comity in this country. It’s about the Constitution, which gives us this great nation. Bush ran on a pledge of “restoring honor and integrity” to the White House. Instead, he brought us Tom DeLay, Roy Blunt, Katherine Harris, John Doolittle, Jerry Lewis, Richard Pombo, Mark Foley, Dennis Hastert, David Safavian, Jack Abramoff, Ralph Reed, Karl Rove and an illegal and immoral war in Iraq. People, it’s up to you.


    http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20061101_molly_ivins_keeping_our_eyes_on_the_ball/
     
  16. Sishir Chang

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    You do realize that Clinton cut welfare and a record number of jobs were created under the Clinton Admin..
     
  17. Sishir Chang

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    So in other words you want an American Empire.
     
  18. Sishir Chang

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    I agree with NewYorker that you should vote even if the front runners don't agree with you. On Tuesday I'm going to vote for at least 3 candidates from the Minnesota Independence party, http://www.mnip.org/ , that will have almost no chance of winning. Winning is important and I will admit that I'm voting strategically but as long as those candidates get some support there is a better chance that an IP candidate might be able to take major office again. For instance if Dean Barkley in Minnesota had laid the groundwork by running for office several times and garnering 10% of the vote Jesse Ventura would've never had a chance to get into the debates and win MN governorship.

    If you don't like the choices you are presented work for change!

    Deciding not to vote is just abdicating a right and a responsibility that people have died for and surrendering your self-determination. At that point you might as well accept a dictatorship where the political decisions are made for you.

    To the main topic at hand while I'm not enamored of national Democrats and certainly not of most of my local Democrats you should vote Democrat to restore divided government.

    The experience of single party dominance of all parts of the elected federal government has not been good over the past few decades as it invites arrogance, corruption and abuse of power since a single party isn't inclined to check itself. Divided government compels each branch to fulfill their Constitutional duty of checking the excesses of the other branch.
     
  19. rrj_gamz

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    The most important right we have as Americans, make it count...
     
  20. Burzmali

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    Yes, absolutely. I prefer Hegemony, it has a nice ring to it. Empire is so 19th century. ;)
     

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