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Why you should vote Democratic on Nov 7th

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewYorker, Nov 3, 2006.

  1. halfbreed

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    I'm doing something better than voting Democrat...not voting.
     
  2. JayZ750

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    In the famous words of Blazzing Saddles: "No noose is good noose!"

    While I don't agree with what you are saying above, even if it is true, no plan is a better plan. Complaining, whining, pointing fingers and offering solutions represents a 100x improvement over what has been happening under Republican leadership:

    Scandal
    Corruption
    Abuse of Power
    Incompetence
    Lack of Morals
    Solutions that benefit few, hurt many
     
  3. ths balla

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    for those that think bush is evil, an idiot, and has no idea what he is doing, please enlighten me on how u would have taken care of things after the 9-11 attack and how u would fix our current state
     
  4. NewYorker

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    Frankly, I think except for the whole witch hunt on Clinton a democratic president and republican congress worked really well.

    I think a lot of pain could have been prevented if there was more balance of power today....
     
  5. NewYorker

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    Not voting is stupider then voting republican.

    When people don't vote - it damages the strength of our democracy. Politicians only listen to voters, not non-voters.
     
  6. NewYorker

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    Scary when former republicans across the board are complaining and whining...and sounding like democrats.....

    Limiting Bush's power is a solution.
     
  7. NewYorker

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    Let's see, instead of sending a handful of troops into Afganistan and trying to depend on Pakistani forces and other scrubs to capture bin Laden, we could have sent 150,000 American troops into Afganistan. We could have had a noose around bin-Laden like no other. That's the legitimate war.

    We could have used the world unity that was with us post-9/11 to spearhead something new. 9/11 could have been the finally impetus to say: "It is time for Mid-east peace, If Israel and Palestine can not come to terms, the U.S. along with the rest of the world will decide the final terms and impose a solution" Everyone would have agreed in the aftermath of 9/11.

    Instead, the opportunity was squandered. A real leader would have brought the country together. Democrat or Republican means nothing. Instead of you are either with us or against us - we could have taken from the French who declared "We are all Americans" to say "We Americans are just a reflection of the World". We could have lived up to our ideals.

    If this country lived up to our ideals - that would have been the most powerful, effective weapon against terrorists. We could have won the so-called hearts and minds of the world and made something special happened.

    All that has been squandered.

    Bush isn't just a moron and an idiot - he's blown the biggest opportunity for this country ever.
     
  8. A_3PO

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    How about focusing on Al Qaeda and Islamic terrorists and rebuilding Afghanistan instead of stupidly invading Iraq for starters. How about once you make the dumb mistake of invading Iraq on false pretenses, act like you are at war there instead of running the mess like a campaign event and trying to minimize and deny how bad things are. How about sending enough troops there to maintain order instead of fantasizing that more troops weren't needed. How about not accusing people who disagree with you of "giving aid and comfort to terrorists." How about not dividing the country down the middle with enough demogoguery against opposing views to last a century.

    Just sweeping the GOP out gives us more credibility. The Dems have no fear of making decisions that rebuke what's already been done. This country has to own up to the truth and admit the invasion was a huge mistake. Bush and the GOP is incapable of doing that. The fact is we will start pulling out of Iraq next year no matter how bad things get. The worse conditions get the faster we will end up pulling out! (contrary to what Bush says now). That country is unsalvageable and their pathetic government has no hope of "national reconciliation". I blasted this idea before but we have no choice now: Divide the country into 3 semi-autonomous self-governing entities. In Iraq, the Sunnis, Shias and Kurds cannot live together peacefully. The fantasy that western-style democracy could be shoved down there throats was misguided from the start. Starting after Nov 7th, look for "stability" to be the new Bush buzzword on Iraq. "Democracy", "Freedom", "Staying the course" and other high sounding rhetoric has been flushed down the toilet now that the GOP faces an election.
     
  9. A_3PO

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    On the other hand, for so long we had a GOP president and a Dem congress. Remember the Dem witch hunt on Bush's "October Surprise" deal with Iran. There were others. My theory is the Dems were out of executive power so long they used witch hunts to check the power of the presidency. When things reversed in 1994, the GOP just turned the tables.

    Divided government works OK I suppose. The main benefit is neither party has overwhelming control to abuse power.
     
  10. rhino17

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    It may be stupid but over half of America does it. In the last election, I can understand not voting because there was not really a canidate worth voting for. if someone doesnt care who the next president is or dislikes both of the canidates, I dont see a problem with not voting
     
  11. FranchiseBlade

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    As has been said I would have focused on terrorism after 9/11 instead of Iraq.

    I would have kept our focus on Afghanistan. I would have gotten Osama, spent the money rebuilding Afghanistan and then found an area where they could excell even if it took a long period. Make them the number one producer of plastics, or even train them for customer service like what is often outsourced to India. Give them something to provide hope and direction for their future, so they will be valued and self sufficient.

    At the same time continue to stabilize the democratic govt. there. Highlight the work around the rest of the mid-east in an effort to show that we are a nation that promotes democracy in a helpful way.

    Iraq would have continued to be hemmed in tighter than a pig in a polk. We wouldn't be in the current situation we are in.

    But given that we are there and we needed to focus on what we would do now, I would get rid of the people who botched it up to begin with. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, etc. would all be looking for jobs.

    I would hire back the people who got things right at the beginning but were driven away by Bush because he didn't like what they had to say. That would be a start.
     
  12. thadeus

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    5 Answer a fool according to his folly,
    or he will be wise in his own eyes.
     
  13. halfbreed

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    Why? If someone cannot make an educated decision I don't want them voting. That's beyond stupid. Even when I do vote, if I'm not educated on a particular issue/referendum, I don't vote on that one. I never understood the whole "vote even if you're stupid" argument.

    If politicians only listen to voters, why the big deal about "getting out the vote" or courting new voters?

    As for me, I cannot vote Republican or Democrat this year. I'll lie in wait until the presidential election and hope that someone worth voting for (on either side) is on the ballot.
     
  14. A_3PO

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    Not voting due to apathy is one thing. Thoughtfully not voting because none of the choices are palatable is just as valid as voting. In 2004, I didn't vote for Kerry or Bush because neither was acceptable but I cast ballots on the other contests.

    Maybe we can agree on this: Not going to the polls at all is disgraceful. But using that definition, over 1/2 the people in this country are disgraceful. :(
     
  15. mc mark

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    So you are more interested in voting for a "winner" instead of voting your convictions?
     
  16. NewYorker

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    Vote for a 3rd party....vote in the congressional races....vote for yourself as a write in.

    But if you don't vote - you aren't represented...you are throwing away what others died for...you are no longer taking part in democracy...if you don't vote - you don't count.
     
  17. NewYorker

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    Yes, not going to the poll is disgraceful. And the fat that 1/2 doesn't go is a real shame on our country.

    But election day should be made a holiday for crying out loud.
     
  18. ths balla

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    those are ideas are great and all but think about the ideas the republicans had....were gonna find weapons of mass destruction, were gonna capture bin ladin, and were gonna bring peace to iraq, all wondeful ideas but sometimes things dont work accroding to plan and you have to deal with it....i mean what happens if in your plan you dont capture bin ladin, what if asghanistan refuses to cooperate, iraq refuses to cooperate, and the people you rehire make things worse...what im saying is evryone has good effective ideas coming into this but things change and stuff happens and u just have to deal with it the best way possible im not saying bush has done a great job but he had a plan going into it and he did the best possible with it and its not like your plan would be sure fire, if it went wrong are you an idiot or evil, no, things just didnt happen like u planned and getting out of the mess is very complicated
     
  19. thadeus

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    SENTENCES MAN SENTENCES
     
  20. rhino17

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    So in your eyes, over half of the Americans in this country don't count
     

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