Hakeem and KT to Indy, Cato and 10# of catfish to Chicago, and Oneil to Houston. The catfish might be a little too much, but I'd do it to dump Cato. ------------------ In the end there will be no judges...only witnesses to my greatness.
haven, you'd better pray Dream doesn't sign w/ the Rockets. If he does, you'd better start saving for my seats. That quote is a declaration of war. ------------------ Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen...
Here's the run down on McKey. He makes 6 million a year in the last year of his contract. He can play, not super big/strong 4s and not super quick 3's in spot duty off the bench. He is a great lockeroom guy althought quiet, but is a team player. He is VERY, VERY reluctant to score or shoot for that matter, as he has been his whole career. He is one of the most clever defenders I've ever seen, which is really important now that much of his athleticism is gone. He gets his hands on a lot of balls and makes the guy he is guarding uncomfortable, even though he isn't able to put up gawdy stats. He gets the complete benefit of the doubt from the refs, because of his rep. With all of this said he is a releif pitcher who can only help in spots and with certain matchups. I would say he should be a 15 minute a night guy and semi defensive mentor, at best. Sam is, also, a situational player who can still very effectively nail the triple. Another great locker room guy, who never b****es and can play limited effective low post defense against big slow plodding centers, in spurts. I would agree with another poster, in that, he may just be a guy to make the salaries work and then Houston dumps him (he retires). Houston would have to be doing this trade to get Dreams salary off the books and helping him get more money, start, and be on a decent team, assuming Houston doesn't feel they can pay him themselves. Houston gets no REAL value from this trade. BTW, WE HAVE PACER FANS STATIONED AT EVERY AREA GROCERY STORE, WITH DIGITAL CAMERAS AT THE READY, IN ANTICIPATION OF HAKEEMS ARRIVAL. How would Dream rank as a Center in the East, IYO'S???? ------------------ http://jonathanbender.8m.com http://alharrington.8m.com http://jermaineoneal.8m.com
Cat I disagree again. McKey (today) is better than Griff, Langhi, and Morris. McKey is a proven vet the other 3, well they are not. Griff is 19, if we have a serviceable vet Rudy will let him come off the bench in the situations that may suit him better. Langhi is a great summer league player and showed flashes last season of being a decent offensive player. Morris will be a role player in the NBA, not a starter. Another point is if the trade happened would you really expect us to start 5 young gus (Stevie, Cat, Griff, Mo, Collier)? They need veterena leadership somewhere. No Mckey is not a superstar but he knows how to play. We need veteran leadership from some place and if Dream leaves that is where it possibly could come from.
Rocket!!!: 1. I can't imagine McKey starting over Griffin. This guy averaged under 5 pts last year on a mediocre team. 2. Terrance Morris isn't a sure-thing. this guy shot horrendously last year and ended up in the 2nd round. Most 1st rounders never become consistent NBA starters... very few 2nd rounders do. I think Morris was a good 2nd round pick. But the odds are not good for his long-term NBA success. ------------------ Clutchcity.net... source for all your Rockets, Astros, political, music, humor, and Gordita news.
Rocket!!, Golden State is not going to do a sign and trade of Marc Jackson for Williams. Chicago is not going to give up Curry for our trade fodder. give it up. ------------------ .,.·^*'´'|'\..........,.·^*'´¯¯¯'`*^·,...,/|'`*^·-, '|.......'|::\......,·'.....,.·:*:·,......'`i:'|.......| '|.......'|:::|.....;.......':,:::,:·.......';:|.......| '|.......|::;i - ·;i'`:,......¯¯.......,·´|::|.......| '|.......'´.......'|'i:::`*:~·.–·~^*'´: :'|::|.......'`*·-, '|........,.-:^:':'\:'`:;:: :: : : : :: ::;·'i::/`':^·.,......`'i '|..,.:'´:::::::::::'\| '`*^~·:–:·~^*'´..'|/:::::::::'`:^:., | '´:;:::::::::;:-·^*'´.....................`'*^·:;-.....:;·' ....`·;:·'´........................................'`^·:;·´
Consider the following stats: Jackson's: 13.2 pts 7.5 rebs 46.7 fg % 0.56 blk 29.4 min Now consider the following stats from 3 "average" Cs: Center A: 9.6 pts, 7.4 rebs, 1.15 blks, 43% fg, 26.7 min B: 12.4 pts, 7.5 rebs, 0.89 blk, 44.8% fg, 28.0 min C: 4.1 pts, 2.7 rebs, 0.3 blk, 58.9% fg, 9.5 min Center A played with a selfish PG, plus he was a big scorer earlier in his career (Pat Ewing). Center B is considered an overpaid, underachieving C who has had a so-so career (Lorenzen Wright). Center C, who averaged a third of Jackson's #s but in a third of his playing time, his recent signing was blasted by some on this board (Todd MacColloch). Sad thing is, I would take any of these guys over Jackson. But this is a big indication of how stats should be taken with a grain of salt: 4.7 pts, 4.0 rebs, 0.89 blk, 57.7% fg, 17.8 min Those are Cato's #s! Heartless-ass Cato averaged approx. 60% of Jackson's reb #s, but HE ALSO averaged approx. 60% of Jackson's playing time on a guard-oriented team, with no offensive moves and just as much effort. I don't question Jackson's effort. I too feel that he's a hard-working big man with a solid J. But don't be in a rush to fork over big $ to sign him. If the Rocks can't sign Dream, I would rather them sign Mo & Mooch, let Shandon walk or S&T him, and pass on Jackson. ------------------
Criso, GS may not have a choice they can only match up to the $4.5 mil exemption. S&T is their only option if another team offers more. ------------------
I never understood the logic of "He put up the numbers on a bad team", don't you play the SAME teams on a bad team then you do on a GOOD team? And isn't it more likely that other teams are going to focus on you and shut you down since you're one of the few options? I never understood that logic, numbers are numbers! That's like saying that Francis numbers in 2000 weren't a big deal because he did it "on a bad team". Or that Elton Brand's numbers didn't count because he did it "on a bad team". ------------------ "Instruments are like women: After a while, you want to make love to another." - Nicolas Godin of the musical duo Air
You forgot Live that center D (Marc Jackson), played on a banged up team without a mediocre backcourt, limited help up front, no chemistry, and few offensive options so teams tended to go after one of the few bright spots on the team, and unlike Cato didn't have guards who can set him up or balance out the offense to help him. ------------------ "Instruments are like women: After a while, you want to make love to another." - Nicolas Godin of the musical duo Air [This message has been edited by RocksMillenium (edited July 20, 2001).]
Also don't forget Center D managed to only play 48 games last season and averaged .56 blocks a game. ------------------ President of the CC.net Realist Club, everyone needs a dose of reality once in a while...
McKey and Perkins won't help the Rockets out. The Rockets don't have to do the S&T, especially when it offers nothing but scrubs. Let Hakeem find a new home another way. If they threw in some talent then I could see the deal happening (like Harrington or Bender or even Tinsley). Renounce him and let him sign with someone else for $4.5 million. Most of the top FAs are signed or tendered offers...how much longer will Moochie and Mo Taylor wait? With all this talk about increasing Hakeem's deal gotta have them a bit worried as well since that'll mean less money for their contracts. ------------------
Hey Live, don't take Jackson's figures as they stand; in the first month of the season he played only 110 minutes in 12 games (out of a possible 19) - not getting consistent minutes will affect ones production! Over this span he averaged 3.4 ppg 1.75rpg 0.25bpg Now I think it's significant to note that this represented 1/4 of the games that Jackson actually played in. Take this out of his season production and his numbers don't look too bad; 16.44ppg 9.47rpg 0.7bpg Point is that it's not fair to compare MJacks to those other players simply because his time to actually play was non-existant until the second month of the season. Having said that, I agree with you in that I don't want MJ on our team, I'm not certain that he can reproduce that form again, and I also think that he's a poor shot-blocker and defender in general. ------------------
Some of these deals people are coming up with around here are just plain stupid. Hakeem and KT for O'neal? Lets put it this way, the Pacers wouldn't let go of O'neal to get WEBBER! They're not going to trade O'neal, or Best for that matter. Best really should be their starting PG, b/c Jalen Rose is just no good at running an offense. There is no way Mckey will be a starter or anywhere near it if he is dealt. He is an older player who used to be a good defender but has since lost the speed and quickness to be even that. His offense has always been poor. I would highly doubt that he would even play a game next year with all the SFs we have on the roster. Perkins would likely retire if he was traded to any team that is not an immediate contender, so we would basically be getting Mckey for Dream. Surely we can find something better out there. ------------------ Who needs teachers? I can learn my own self.
Does Marc Jackson seem like a PF with few ball skills and little speed to anybody else? let's review: he doesn't play well in the post he's not a shot blocker he's 6'10 his shot of choice is a jumper away from the basket he doesn't play great D Sorry, that sounds more like a PF than a C to me. ------------------ Clutchcity.net... source for all your Rockets, Astros, political, music, humor, and Gordita news.
IMO, its far better to just let Dream walk than to take Big Smooth and McKey in a sign and trade. Neither of those players add anything to this team and we could use the salery cap later this year if we need it. ------------------ [This message has been edited by crash5179 (edited July 20, 2001).]
Something to consider is that Jason Collier and Damn Lanky have strong Indiana connections. You might toss them into a trade. These players duplicate skills we already have on the team (T-Mo, Mo-T). Neither will be a superstar but they can be strong role players (especially the latter, if he can just unpucker his a**hole in a real game). I don't know which players we're really after, or which players Indy would dump, but if the Pacers want a center, would they take Cato for Perkins? When we deal with Hakeem, we should be under the cap, and Cato's BYC would go away...and his salary would perfectly match McKey's. That frees up the cap space in a year. As far as Hakeem, I don't know about him signing with Indy. Toronto seems a better bet for some reason. The team has a trade exception from the Oakley trade; can we get Keon Clark? The guy's light for a center but at 22 minutes a game and a ton of blocks, I'd take him. Marc Jackson is a strong option for Houston. He stated once that he would like to play here, he'd be (relatively) cheap, he rebounds WITH ENTHUSIASM (caps mine, but quoted from an article I read about him months ago). Oh, and this: T-Mo was an excellent pick-up for the Rox. He will play great on this team. ------------------
I think that the Rockets are trying to make a splash in the FA market next fall. This trade is not for the short term, but long term instead (kind of like the Pryzbilla trade). We will cut Perkins so write him off immediately. McKey and Walt will be FA's in 2002. Renouncing them would clear roughly $11 million in salary. Look at next year's free agent crop: much better than this year's. http://www.realgm.com/src_freeagents.php?year=2002 Pierce, Jamison, LAFRENTZ, Olowokandi, Bibby, and Vinsanity. Sounds like a damn good crop to me. Maybe Raef is our solution and we'll offer him like $8-9 million to come here???? IN RUDY WE TRUST. ------------------ "Oh No..." -Bill Walton in 97 just before Stockton's buzzer beater
Yes, but on a better team, not only does Jackson not start, but he fights to get into the rotation. It doesn't take an Ivy League education to realize "No touches, no minutes, no stats." I'll admit that Jackson did a good job last year, he put up decent #s on a team were he was one of the few viable options. But he should not be an option at C for a team that's talking about the playoffs. I'm sorry, but when I see Jackson I see a poor man's Ike Austin. I know this may sound crazy to some, but I'd prefer a rehabilitated, conditioned Collier to Jackson any day. ------------------ [This message has been edited by Live (edited July 20, 2001).]
