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Why we should trade Yao

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by StupidMoniker, Nov 21, 2007.

  1. m0lson

    m0lson Member

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    Wow RocketsMac I never thought you were a Yao hater before or this ****ing stupid. Do you realize that all of those highlights were from Yaos first 3 years? U're like this kids who comment on the videos that are like omg Yao got dunked on he sucks! Get out of these forums dumbass
     
  2. Matchman

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    I got his quote. thats why the Yaos stat vs Boozer i put up is a post-season stat. now if u would just follow my instructions to check it out on NBA.com.

    You said it yourself. Someone was able to stop him in one game. Does that mean they are really the Boozer stoppers? Maybe they just got lucky or Boozer had a bad game?
    Donyell Marshall ties the NBA record on 3pters made. Does that mean he is the best 3pt shooter? Or maybe he got lucky on that day?

    and LoL at u using an highlight reel from Youtube to prove your point. I guess there is no point to argue with u.
    If using an highlight reel is a valid arguement. I here present you the highlights of Donyell Marshall: the best three-point shooter in the world :rolleyes:
    <object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/pRkXajkibRI&rel=1"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/pRkXajkibRI&rel=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>
     
  3. tomjc

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    To make a more reasonable argument not to trade Yao. Aside from the Chicago Bulls, every team in the last decade that won a championship had a dominant big man. Tim Duncan, Shaq, Ben Wallace, Hakeem, Kareem. If you trade Yao, you lose the 1/2 court advantage meaning that

    1) When you play the team you traded Yao to, that's a matchup problem for you.
    2) You can't beat the run and gun teams with the aging Rafer/T-Mac/Mutombo vs any of the top west contenders.

    Your post is great about getting your point across : Trade Yao. But you don't exactly tell us who you would trade him for. The Rockets can't play 4 players already with this roster, so it doesn't make sense to pull off a Minnesota-type Trade with Garnett.

    You would then try and find a tweener for Yao's value, like a Kobe/Lebron/Melo type player, but he would then split playing time and shots with T-Mac.

    Now a lot of people are talking about the T-Mac/Kobe trade straight up. Well this might improve the SG position, but your bench production will go down.

    I think what the Rockets need to do, is to define who their first 1 options are, and who are the role players. You don't need that many scorers, just look at Boston. RA has to decide which Scola/Wells/James is a third option, and give clear defined roles to everyone else.
     
  4. RocketsMac

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    JVG also said that Rafer is a great NBA player and a very good starter
    JVG also said that Luther Head is absolutely great and is the key to success for this team

    what kind of games have you been watching? Yao has been getting killed on defense every single. If you want to talk about defense, I win the argument every day of the week. Have you seen the Dallas game? why did your superhero defensive stopper foul the midget Devin Harris and allow him to get an AND1 opportunity on a layup, which give Dallas the lead and consequently lost us the game?

    I didn't use the video as a proof, it was just something for that weirdo saying that Yao's defense is the best in the world. it's not like Yao hasn't been getting dunked on lately, heck, even Ginobili dunked on him.

    and whoever mentioned Dream, don't you ever, ever, ever, compare Hakeem, the greatest center in the history of the NBA and the best defensive player in history to Yao. Yao, Shaq, Robinson, and all the others are light years below Hakeem's level..

    I really don't want to keep talking about this because as I said, it's an imaginary hypothetical thread. Yao is not getting traded. Yao is a great offensive player, sweet moves, accurate shot, intelligent passing, great personality, just NOT A GOOD DEFENDER.. If you think that Yao is a good defender for a center, you are living in a parallel universe where Ryan Bowen is a great 3 point shooter.. :D
     
  5. RocketsMac

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    that's not the point dip$h!t, omg, you are just one pathetic r****d.. (no offense)

    all you need is 2 eyes to reason that Boozer could be stopped by Kevin Garnette because Kevin Garnette is one of the best defenders in the league, but this same Boozer CANNOT be stopped by Yao because he is WAAAY quicker than Yao is. your original argument is a r****ded one anyways, because Boozer hasn't been "killing" everyone, and even if he has, he hasn't done to them what he had done to Yao Ming in the playoffs. plus, if you are comparing Yao's defensive abilities to that of Garnette, Howard, Big Ben, or even Duncan, you are living in that same parallel universe I was talking about in my last post..

    just give up man, please, there's no point of arguing, it's not logically sound. Yao isn't a good defender, what are we, lying to ourselves? he is just a mediocre defensive player at best who doesn't play aggressive defense. I don't blame him, he is 7'6, he is immobile, he isn't as physically gifted as Kevin Garnette, I don't expect him to be a great defensive player because he does so many other things on the court. you CAN'T have a perfect player that does everything perfectly (Hakeem is a different story), so please, just give up on your quest to proving that Yao Ming is the best Defensive bigman in the history of the NBA..
     
  6. Matchman

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    [​IMG]

    Boozer's Stat vs Duncan's San Antonio Spurs in 2007 Western Conference Finals:
    21.4 pts
    12 rebs
    2.2 asts
    Efficiency: 25.8

    and i love how u can call me a r****d without offense
     
  7. javashot

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    dumbest trade ever!!!!!!!
    we would never beat the lakers
     
  8. javashot

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    yea i think it was his mom's , but your moms is similar it just has a different smell. smells like coconut milk and ketchup with pepper.
     
  9. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Yao is a very good defensive presence in the paint (not the best, in fact not even the best on his own team, but very good). That is not where he is a defensive liability. Yao's defensive problems come in to play when he is asked to guard a player that can shoot outside of ten feet or when he is involved in a pick and roll. Apparently you have never seen Yao matched up with such offensive juggernauts as Mark Blount, Brandon Bass, or Donyell Marshall. Especially under the current rule system where anything goes in the paint but looking at a player outside of the post is a foul, this weakness is not going to go away. Ever. We can continue to rely on Yao and either try to mask his weakness with a zone or hope that we play teams with a slow non-shooting PF or center. In fact, that is what we are going to do, because there is no way Les trades Yao. To act like the idea has no merit and that anyone that considers it somehow has no basketball knowledge is dumb.

    Another possibility:
    How about Yao, Alston, Snyder, and Head and a first rounder for Armstrong, West, Paul, and Chandler.
     
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    I agree....personally I'd rather trade Tracy, but because of his back I doubt many teams would be willing to give up a lot for him...I'd be down for a Yao for Kobe Bryant...it will never happen though, because the rockets don't want to lose the asian market....are 2 best players are softees, and the only way this team will ever win big or get out of the 1st around is if one of them is traded...both Yao and Tracy are both good enough to be the 2nd option a team, but neither has the toughness to be "the guy".....let's make it happen Les...
     
  11. Gutter

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    lets not trade yao lets just trade rafer i think that will work best for the rockets
     
  12. Rockets4279

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    Yao,Alston,Snyder,Head,First rounder
    for Paul,West,Chandler,Armstrong

    I like this idea becausee it solves all the Rockets problems.
    3 scorers Paul,McGrady,West maybe James,Scola,Wells, Francis if he gets time.
    A playmaker other than McGrady that seems to be a big issue.
    Chandler who could become better than the old Ben Wallace.
    West is up and coming.

    Where do i sign??
     
  13. Rowdie Brandon

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    ^^^I would do it in a heartbeat....Paul is 2nd coming of Isiah Thomas....
     
  14. tomjc

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    Noob.
     
  15. Rowdie Brandon

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    well that noob has the right idea....
     
  16. ferrarif1286

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    yeah so trade yao to lakers so he runs next to kobe and when 4th quarter comes, yao doesn't have to be the killer. Next trade Tmac to boston or cleveland so he also has a tougher teammate and a easier conference. Next both our stars will make it out of the 1st round and we will all be happy
     
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    Wow that team would be insane. West would be a automatic upgrade at the PF. Paul will give us a top 5 PG. chandler is a top Defensive Center. armstrong is another talent.

    Paul/James
    Tracy/Francis
    Battier/Wells
    West/Scola
    Chandler/Deke.

    That wouls kick ass.
     
  18. AroundTheWorld

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    This thread is like a cesspool for all idiots on the site. Every time people like blazer_ben or Rockets4279 post, the average quality of posts on the site goes down quite a bit.
     
  19. Rockets4279

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    Would be sick but i dout New Orleans pulls the trigger. I dout Houston trades Yao especially to a divisonal rival. If it happens it would be for a championship not merchandise sales. And Paul would automatically give us someone who could blow by Yao because he does it every time against us. True our guards are resposible but some of that is Yao fault as well not just our guards. This move is addition by subtraction. Paul would do the same thing vs New Orleans if this pipe dream came true.
     
  20. ikarus

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    You are still in the illusion that Yao's important to Rox because of his impact on Asian markets. As far as his basketball skill is concerned, do you think Yao EARNS every penny of his salary from ROX?
     

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