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Why we needed to dip below the luxury tax line

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by BallaDoc, Feb 8, 2019.

  1. RocketsFido

    RocketsFido Member

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    Thanks for clearing that up Tilman! We as fans really need to eat more at your restaurants and help save you some money.
     
  2. thekad

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    I guess if Tilman-only fans just keep making these threads, rational fans will get tired of debunking these ridiculous talking points.

    I mean, the idea that the mere possibility of the repeater tax three years from today necessitated 1) not making any measurable improvements now and 2) actually giving up future assets is so laughable that it’s not even worth debating anymore.
     
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  3. sirbaihu

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    What's the point?
    OK, so you're pissed.
    It is what it is.
    Wanna get someone fired, or just venting, or what?
     
  4. snowconeman22

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    Just venting lol
     
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  5. biff17

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    so what do we do for a center?
     
  6. heypartner

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    This isn’t accurate.

    What a team’s salary is one year does not determine which MLE you get the next. The difference between the two is strictly that you can’t go over the Tax Apron in a year that you use the NT MLE. If you don’t use it, you are free to spend as much as you want and trade for increasing salary as much as you want.
    • Use of the NT MLE next year will mean that we cannot exceed ~$138m in Salary next year
    • ...hard stop, hard cap.
    • Full use of it, plus existing committed salary puts us at ~$131m = JH, CP3, EGo, PJ, Capela, Nene, Clark, Isaiah, plus New $9m Player.
    • That leaves $7m total to pay Shump, Rivers, Faried, Green, Buyout and 1 more roster spot, or any trades that increase salary.
    Obviously, full use of the NT MLE on a New Player will require dropping 3-4 of your own FA talent, and more if you make a salary increasing trade.

    Because of that, I seriously doubt Morey will Hardcap himself, and flirt with the Apron, because he will want to retain freedom to go for a blockbuster trade, that might increase salary substantially.
     
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  7. dmoneybangbang

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    Harden's contract jumps from $30mil to $37mil in 2019, then jumps $3mil every year until $46mil. CP3 is not too different. It sucks but to avoid that repeater tax, this is the year to get under the tax.

    This 4 year Harden contract is our end game bros.
     
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  8. whiskeyred

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    how late is Landry’s open Tilman?
     
  9. chievous minniefield

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    There are two kinds of people in this world: 1) People who understand math; 2) The people who will endlessly b**** in this thread.
     
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  10. chievous minniefield

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    Savage. Would read again.
     
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  11. Johnbutte

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    I find it difficult to imagine a buyout player or house making the rockets even 1% more likely to beat the warriors this year. Paul, Harden, and Capela being healthy is their only chance. So getting under the tax threshold this year makes sense and preserves some flexilbity for future years when Durant is no longer a warrior.
     
  12. kjayp

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    some 'fans' just continue to not understand that this is a business and requires business decisions... they view it all as immature bratty children that just want more more more... this not a game NBA2K or whatever... smh...
     
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  13. seeingred

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    Hell, even in 2k you need to turn Trade Override on to turn Chriss, Knight and a late 1st into Bradley Beal.
     
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  14. PuzzledFan

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    Narratives abound.
     
  15. kjayp

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    does it work wo the overide for Shumpert? lol
     
  16. TimV

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    the repeater tax is not that absurd until you really start to exceed the threshold. For example, the Thunder are $20 million over this year. If they weren’t repeat offenders, this would mean a $45 million tax bill. However, as repeat offenders, it is $65 million. The marginal difference is big, but it’s only the difference of one really bad contract. It’s like paying for Brandon Knight to sit on the bench. It’s half the cost of a 37 year old Chris Paul to cheerlead from the bench.

    Once you’ve made the leap into luxury tax land, the repeater is not going to make that big of a difference. If you’re 50 million over, the tax for a non repeater is $250 million, for a repeater it is $300 million. If you can afford $250 million, that extra $50 million is not likely going to dissuade you.
     
  17. Zoplicone

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    Early in the season when things were bad we laughed at Morey’s notion that we’d have good pickings from the buyout pool, and now with Faried and Rivers we’re deeper than we were last year, and may add one more piece to that. I would rather Shumpert, Faried and Rivers over Ariza, and I’m not going to get into why Luc doesn’t count.

    It’s fair for a fan to trust him. Anyone who has a problem with what we did at the deadline obviously believed every ridiculous trade idea thrown around here was possible no matter how absurd. Brandon Knight sucks for us but a great asset for someone else?!?! You know we’re not the only team with a first round pick?

    Getting House back would be nice. Adding Markieff wouldn’t be so bad either. Getting both would be really really good but some will still complain.
     
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  18. Astrodome

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    Risk management

    We have 2 pair before the river against a known flush.

    Raise with the 2nd best hand or just call and hope for the full house? If you raise (luxury tax), you are in a bad position...

    Calling leaves you with extra chips moving forward. You could still get lucky with a better roster than you had last year...

    Morey played this correctly.
     
  19. vick

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    How late is Whataburger open to?
     
  20. vick

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    Sounds like you need a weekend at Golden Nugget.
     
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