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Why we need Lamar Odom

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by crash5179, Mar 3, 2002.

  1. Timing

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    This from the President of the Mo Taylor fan club. :D
     
  2. The Cat

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    Note the "after getting caught" part. It's one thing to do it once and get busted... it's just pure stupidity to do it multiple times after being caught. :)
     
  3. Timing

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    I think you have to test positive or miss a test 3 times before you're suspended once. So Mo did do it multiple times.
     
  4. BigM

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    crash- your first post sums up everything i was thinking about the rockets. last night showed exactly what rudy wants to get out of his offense and it doesn't always involve the small forward shooting 3's. odom would be absolutely perfect for this team, even more so than rashard lewis because of his passing ability. i'd give up anything but our big 3 to get him, unless our draft pick is yao ming.
     
  5. The Cat

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    Really? That surprises me that the NBA would allow players to smoke pot twice with no consequences. Nevertheless, if that's true, you should have the common sense to stop smoking after you've already been suspended once, since every further violation will be another suspension. Or, at least give better reasoning than saying you were experimenting with it. :D
     
  6. Manny Ramirez

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    Why wouldn't they?? Having someone who can score down on the low block OPENS up all kinds of shots on the perimeter. If anything, it means that Steve and Mobley don't have to work so hard to get the others (when they decide to pass) their shots.

    It's called inside-outside basketball. 03 - you're a season ticket holder, right? Were you around back in '94 and '95 when the Rockets used this philosophy?? If you were, then I don't understand why you think that having an inside-outside offensive philosophy is bad.
     
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    Seriously I think the media has blown L. Odom's character way out of reality. The media is making it sound as he's a troubled player that's hurting his team and is a major drug addict. This is not the case. He is very much liked by the team and is not in no way a trouble maker. He loves his team and he supports the organization. He talks as if he was the clipper's #1 fan not as he is just an employee and he helps in decisions and all too. He's a good guy despite the drug incident. The coach, the players all love Odom and they all acknowlege he is their team leader. They all have said they love him and need him and I have not heard any of them say it unsincerely or hesitate about it. Dispite the drug inccidents he has not done anything that I know of that has been considered negative towards his team and believe me if there was it would be all over the LA news, even the littlest things are blown up out here.

    As for the maybe trades with the clippers they have said they want vets. They do not want any draft picks unless it will get them a ready player like J. Williams IMO. They really don't want anymore young players and they don't need potiential players or high school players. They want guys that can help immediately. I think if the rockets were to trade it would have to be another team involved like a three way. I don't really see what the Clippers would want from the rockets besides SF or EG. What they really need is experience but other than that they need a PG, C and backup PF. Q, Miles and Brand are their untouchables. They highly regard Dooling as there PG of the future and they love Magette too. I also heard they have the hawks pick this year too if the hawks don't get 1,2 or 3 in the lotto so I really don't see how they would want our pick. As for Kenny or Mo or Norris they don't need a backup point as they have Dooling and Mcinnis, they don't need another undersized PF with Brand and they don't like Mo as he sat on their bus refusing to get off. Thus why I think we need another team if we were to trade for Odom unless we get the #1 pick IMO.
     
  8. kidrock8

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    So are you saying that Mobley is a better player than Odom?
     
  9. The Cat

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    I think it depends on the team. If I was just starting a team from scratch, I would probably prefer to take my chances on Lamar. But for this team, if the Clippers offered me Odom for Cuttino straight up, I would turn them down.
     
  10. kidrock8

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    Why?

    I know Cuttino is best friends with Steve...

    The Rockets need another multi-dimensional player, and Odom would fit that bill as well as anyone.
     
  11. The Cat

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    I don't think they need one at the expense of Cuttino. When Steve, Mo, and the rest of the team has been hurt, Cuttino is the one constant. He plays through pain. He's a leader among his teammates and in the community. He makes big shots down the stretch, and he's one of the few who actually want the ball when the game is on the line. Steve Francis may be the best player, but Cuttino is this team's leader. He's the heart of this team. He brings so, so much more to the table than simply scoring.

    Also, if you aren't convinced by his intangibles, consider this: what kind of message are you sending the rest of the league when you trade a player that signed for way, way below market value to play for your team? Cuttino loves Houston, and he's a great representative of our team to the other free agents in the league. Don't plan on getting many free agents, especially for below market value like Mo Taylor and Shandon Anderson, if you have a reputation for trading them at the first possible opportunity.

    There are definitely other plausible scenarios for acquiring Odom than trading Steve or Cuttino. With Sterling's reluctance to deal out money for extensions, with Odom's troubled past, and with his questionable current production, I feel pretty confident that he won't carry superstar value.
     
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    Believe me, I know that Cat brings a lot of intangibles to the Rockets.

    And you brought up a valid point about how it would look bad for the Rockets to trade him after he re-signed for less than market value.

    I still think the team would be improved with Odom over Mobley.

    But, obviously that would be depended on who we put in at SG. I'd love Francis to move to SG, then draft or acquire a PG.
     
  13. get Darius Rice

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    slow????

    I guess my point yesturday didnt get across.

    Darius Rice (if you get your heads out of odoms butt) is better already than lewis or odom.+ and the big + is we get to KEEP mo taylor..What if eg gets hurt or kenny?We have nothing.Id love to have a strong bench + rice than odom anyday.Its easy to like a player you see on espn.Anyways,THANK YOU carol for liking drice.I hope you get him.Then this odom and lewis talk will stop forever and move on to center.
     
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    With what you just said (a starting team of Steve, Cat, Lamar, Eddie G and Cato) who gets the ball? I definately don't want this team to become the second coming of the Portland "first round" Failblazers. Let's make certain we keep Franchise and build the team around our big three. Cat, Steve, Eddie G. In this case, 4 is a crowd. This is why I hate to have MoT locked up for years to come. Too much scoring, not enough passing, not too much D. Let's fill our needs first.
     
  15. get Darius Rice

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    i said it before ,ill say it again,..carol should have offered steve + our lotto pick for odom..steve is very unpredictable,his career might be over soon...odom is a freak
     
  16. DCkid

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    You lost me. Why might Steve's career be over soon?
     
  17. Miggidy Markell

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    Odom's career is in threat more then Steve's because of his drug problem. Steve is hardworking, dedicated and loves basketball. He will have a long successful NBA career.
     
  18. giddyup

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    I kind of understand this argument, but I've never seen it realized. Virtually no one else (Seattle, Detroit) was vying for Mo Taylor. What free agents have we ever gotten? Scottie Pippen? Yeah.

    Mo got what he was seeking in that deal he signed just before being injured.

    In spite of Rudy's great reputation as a player's coach (that may be damnable), I don't see free agents flocking here. Other than Pippen and MoT, the last one I can remember is Alex English!!

    People who are privileged enough to be paid this well to play basketball for a living just need to get over having their feelings hurt. They can't have it both ways.

    Their demand for top pay has created this marketplace--- so live with it!
     
  19. Manny Ramirez

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    And with that post, get Darius Rice just loses several points in building his case as one of the best new posters in the Rockets forum.

    He still is promising, but maybe no longer the cream of the crop.
     
  20. get Darius Rice

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    i was joking..but if steve was to retire..that would suck..so hinesight 20/20...if the head aches arent cured by summer ie mayo clinic,med.,etc..then im thinking of not guarnentee him a full 6 year contract..right now..publicly les is saying hell sign him no matter what...but really behind close doors,i bet carol and les dont want to throw our cap again down the drain with a player only playing 2/3 of games..but if he gets better,then obviously id rather have steve over odom anyday..i wouldnt take odom & brand for steve...since we have eddie for our 4..who i think will be better then brand in 2 years.
     

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