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why we can win recent games

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ikfit, Feb 12, 2005.

  1. Panda

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    The truth doesn't suck. The problem is "you can't handle the truth.":p
     
  2. Jerry36

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    Exactly, Some people just don't get it. If Yao played with a lot more confidence and had the mindset to dominate he would be the player that yall won't him to be. You can't bring potential out if you lack confidence.
     
  3. Panda

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    Hmm... clearly today isn't your best day.

    Keeping scoring and eventually you can pick up some acorns, like a blind squirrel. ;)
     
  4. Panda

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    Maybe you don't get it. Things seldom happen for only one reason.
     
  5. DavidS

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    Ha ha ha! You are calling me a cheerleader? I'm calling you to reality! Complaining about improving Yao's stamina or positing is one thing. But claiming that a coach is holding a player back is silly! Yao is doing fine.

    It's like you prefer to complain that Yao didn't get 4-5 more points (if the ball was passed to him more) after we get a 12 point win! That's not constructive criticism. That's whining!

    I'm one of the biggest critics on this board. If you haven't noticed visted this BBS for for over 4 years (and Rox fan since their inception). So, before you call me "fair-weather" you better learn a little bit about the poster before you call him out.

    I've been he through the winning and losing. An Akeem basher, Horry Basher, Elie Basher, Ottis Basher, a Rudy basher, a Francis bahser, Yao basher and MoT basher...yet you call me a "cheerleader" and "fair-weather?" Get your facts straight buddy.
     
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    Uh, I was mocking your quote. In case you didn't notice.


    "Winning makes people blind. - Panda"
     
  7. Panda

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    I knew what you were doing. I was mocking you mocking and apparently you didn't get it.
     
  8. DavidS

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    Uh, well next time at least have a point better than "you're a blind squirrel." It had nothing to do with what I said.

    I mean come on...:rolleyes:
     
  9. Jerry36

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    Oh, I do get it . It's all in his mind.
     
  10. Panda

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    It's absolutely silly to the Nth degrees to say that a coach can't hold a player back. Yao is doing fine and can do better.


    Sorry if I don't let out orgasmic screams after a win like you do. I'm not complaining about winning I'm talking about ways to make us win more if you still can't get it.

    I've reading this board for more than 4 years, and if you haven't been lurking around here before you posted then I have a longer history here than you do. So you'd better be careful calling me as a YOF.

    Now I get the fact ... So you complain about me being "whinny" but don't realize you are the epitome of whinny babies? Chuckles. How about being a JVG basher to continue your whiny tradition. ;)
     
  11. Panda

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    Yeah, and you are in Yao's mind.
     
  12. DavidS

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    I was waiting for that one. Please tell us how we can win more than 6 games in a ROW? Hmmm. Oh, maybe you're talking about the start of the season when we were trying to pass the ball to Yao more? Huh?

    Wait a minute. First you say that I'm a cheearleader. Then you say I'm whinny? You're a little mixed up there.

    I will bash players and coaches if needed; what best for the team. Not just one player. JVG is doing a fine job and so is Yao. We know that Yao needs to improve. It's obvious. But more of that improvement will come from Yao himself, rather than what the coach is doing. In fact, what the coach (and Ewing) had done w/the rotation and play calls in the recent weeks has helped Yao stamina.

    By the way, "whining" is not criticism of big problems with this team. "Whining" is complaining about little issues that have been blown out of porportion. Like saying Yao is not getting enough touches after we are on a 6 game winning streak.
     
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    Huh what? You think Yao cannot be possibly better utilized like running better picks and more plays?

    I thought you were a cheerleader, then you said you are a basher, so combine the two it's like you cheer when we win and bash when we lose. Like you said, losing makes people blind too. ;)

    Yao and JVG both needs to improve.
     
  14. DavidS

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    1) On the first question. Yao can improve if his speed and stamina allows it. If he can get his timing down and learn his rotations better; better rebounding. More communication. Also, not all of it is physical. A lot of it is mental. This comes with time and experience. This is not about JVG "holding anyone back." If Yao shows more improvement on his own, then he'll get more opportunities. It's about give and take. About trust.

    2) Not necessarily. There are times that we've won (in the past few years) that were not good wins. You could tell that we were not a good team even after we won (the winning didn't last; we fell back into bad habits). And I complained about that. Also, after some losses this year, I felt that we still played good (other posters here made positive comments about it too; after losses). You could tell that our chemistry and timing was starting to come together even before the winning streak. So, you have to look at the context of the situations before you claim there is a problem. The current situation requires minimal changes; a trade here or there (Derrick Anderson - :cool: ) or a draft here or there....and so on...small changes.

    The other factors of team chemistry are falling into place with time. So, there's no problem there. You can see it on the floor; the way we play.
     
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    ...we can say alot things...

    1. Yao needs an enforcer at the 4

    2. Yao needs better stamina still

    3. We can still use better shooters

    4. Yao still doesn't get the ball on several occassions every game when he has the position and raised his hand high up calling for it.

    5. We need a few more wins aganist the elite teams.
     
  16. Panda

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    How about just answer my original question:

    Do you think Yao cannot be possibly better utilized like through running better picks and more plays?


    Agreed on the chemistry part. However, I disagree that new players, drafts and trades are minimal changes. Even a trade for a bench guy like Jon Barry is significant to this team. We need to improve on all fronts, even our chemistry is young and still needs to go through adversity to develop resilience against all foes.
     
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    *Better utilization and more plays* means Yao must get into position that are not risky passes. If he gets bumped or pushed out of position, those play options are not worth the risk. These risky passes were tried at the start of the season; it didn't work; we were forcing the issue. Not having Sura as an outside option was also missing because our defenders were sagging down on Yao; which made the passes that much harder. That's why you see Yao set high picks for TMac or Sura. Sometimes they try to pass to Yao and it works -- other times they are not there. So, "better utilization" is dependent on how Yao executes those plays; time and experience. You can't just say "do it and it will just work."

    If you asked the question in a general sense. Yes, he can improve over-all. But that goes back to the above answer. There are many factors that leads up to achieving "better utilization."

    I feel that as the season goes a long he'll even shoot more outside shots. But not at the expense off loosing his post game.


    When I say, "minimal" I meant that it wasn't a total revamp of our roster, coaching or play calling. I think we all know why smart role players like Sura and Barry make such a difference when we have TMac and Yao already as our foundation. Role players fill in the holes. They do the *little* things that gets us the *big* wins.

    The "adversity to develop resilience against all foes" will come only from the play-offs. I agree. That's when we really know what our weaknesses are.
     
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  18. Deuce

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    I think a couple of you should get your own room. ;)

    Anyway, there are a number of reasons why we are winning these games right now. But something I wanted to bring up, specifically about the criticisms of JVG's offense.

    I would submit that one of the reasons we are winning NOW is we are just HITTING the open shots! Those SAME open shots were available in Novmeber and December but we werent hitting them! So the shots were there, but the personnel wasnt getting it done.

    Now we have Wesley and Barry and even Padgett hitting those shots.
     
  19. Rockets2K

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    Jesus H Crist!!

    Nice job pissing all over this thread:rolleyes:

    David.....you know by now that nothing you say is going to get thru to PAnda.....why continue??

    I dont know why I even responded to this thread at its beginning....I should have known that someone would come in and ruin it....thanks Panda...
    one note to you before you disappear from this board(at least in my eyes).....you aint near as smart as you think you are, I can see it, others can see it...the only people that think you are smart are you and the other myopic Yao fans who only care about Yao's stats..

    Why dont you try to be more like your hero? He only cares about wins....not how many times he scores...
     
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    Hey DavidS! Stop Plagerizing Kobe
     

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