[Why Voter ID Needed] FBI Investigating More Dead People Voting In The Key Swing State Of Virgini

Uhh this really isn't an argument just a claim and an insult.

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-24/dead-people-are-voting-key-swing-state-colorado

Eat ****

 

I like now how well-researched well-stated facts and conclusions are now just summed up a "LIBERAL SLANT".

Making an enemy out of sources that shows info that contrast/conflict against your own prevailing beliefs & behaviors. Its info is not just for the better, its LIBERAL ARMY behind it.

I'm not saying agree with everything presented. Be skeptical. But it seems research now is QUICKLY dismissed before even considering it, because party affiliation is priority over doing the best course of human action

 

The whole "party affiliation" combat misses the point entirely. Let's just say there's enough abuse on both sides. And no side has a fair enough solution to the people.

Before ANY politics are involved-

(Analogy) Its like walking into the grocery store. The point of the store is to get as many bodies into the store as possible to punch in their purchase.

Putting some kind of "customer verification" or "ID" requirement will lessen the amount of people coming in to punch in their purchase. Even if some of those customers come in and STEAL, its not enough where they need deterrents, which will actually RESTRICT overall purchases and participation even with more fraud stops. They'll take the bigger profits with the losses.

With VOTING, its a RIGHT of the people. While voting is very honorable, it is not quite in the privilege-provided category like driver's license, hunting license , Costco membership. So EXTENDING the ACCESS and RIGHT to as many people as possible is the thing to do to ensure as much punch-ins as possible.

This should be a really basic issue. Its ony when political strategies and demographics get added where its made way more difficult than it needs to be.

All parties abuse ballots. Should something be done? Sure. The Republican ID initiatives didn't address abuse enough (or at all). Other Republicans aren't going to stop it, only the opposition and independents will, which is how it becomes "their" issue

 

Much like Obamacare?? Democrats didn't care about a fair solution.

Another Democrat thing. Voting is not a right. Its a privilege.

 

Wo, where are you going where with this? It's a Constitutional thing. The "right" to vote is called out numerous times in the Constitution. Of course with any right, there are limitations and it's a personal choice to exercise that right or not. Are you trying to suggest that voting is not a right, but a privilege granted by those in power to only certain people?

For reference:

priv·i·lege
ˈpriv(ə)lij/
noun
noun: privilege; plural noun: privileges

1. 1.
   a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group of people.
   "education is a right, not a privilege"
   synonyms: advantage, benefit; More
   • something regarded as a rare opportunity and bringing particular pleasure.
     "I have the privilege of awarding you this scholarship"
     synonyms: honor, pleasure
     "it was a privilege to meet her"
   • (in a parliamentary context) the right to say or write something without the risk of incurring punishment or legal action for defamation.
     noun: absolute privilege; plural noun: absolute privileges
   • the right of a lawyer or official to refuse to divulge confidential information.
   • historical
     a grant to an individual, corporation, or place of special rights or immunities, especially in the form of a franchise or monopoly.
     synonyms: immunity, exemption, dispensation
     "congressional privilege"

 

We've been over this many times. At the time the constitution was written, only rich white male land owners were allowed to vote. We have had 3 amendments to pass to cover some of these issues. If a state wishes to infringe on other ways, they could because the constitution does not give a unilateral right to vote to any American citizen. Why have we not passed a very simple law to allow this, considering most other nations do have these laws?

If you download a movie on a torrent, that is a felony. If you are prosecuted, you voting rights are restricted depended on your state. Where is your right to vote now??? Its certainly not covered in the Constitution.

 

Given that we restrict gun ownership to felons and such too, I assume you feel that the right to bear arms is not a Constitutional right either but maybe a privilege?

 

There's no need to play word games here. Voting is a right.....a right that can be taken away just like any other right. There are restrictions placed on ALL rights, voting is no different.

 

Predictable response. Why do you think the 2nd amendment is such a hot topic?

I am not sure why you feel the need to troll and suggest the 2nd amendment is a privilege. A more mature question would be, "Do you believe a felons 2nd amendment right is infringed upon".

 

You realize Colorado does voting by mail, right? Voter ID laws have no effect on that. It's no different than absentee ballots in other states.

GOP doesn't address that type of voter fraud because absentee ballots don't normally favor Democrats, so that type of fraud isn't a concern.

 

Another predictable response.

Instead we should be focusing on how to allow online voting. Another solution that would render many of these arguments useless.

 

You claimed the article was biased with a liberal slant and I claimed Trump fans say that about facts with regularity. How did your post differ from mine? What?

The facts in the article were presented in a federal court and ruled on by a judge. In fact several states have had federal judges override these laws for the same reasons. There's nothing biased or slanted about it. You're biased because you're an admitted white supremacist. Why would you find it insulting to be identified as such?

Many Trump supporters like yourself try to hold everyone else to a much higher standard while you mostly present slogans, conspiracies, and hateful gibberish. You should try holding yourself to the standard you advocate for others. But then again, this whole campaign is just a troll for most of you. Y'all run around the web like roaches trying to create a reality that doesn't actually exist. You clickity click click away on your debate polls while everyone else acknowledges Trump looked terrible. Keep on clicking!

 

Predictably factual response.

 

As stated, constitutional rights have restrictions. A state cannot infringe on any ways that is unconstitutional.

In your example, the 14th amendment allow States to deny the right to vote for those that participate in rebellion or other crimes. Later amendments granted the right to vote to all race, women and lower the voting age to 18, but did not remove the "other crimes" restriction and left that in the hand of State to determine.

So you call it privilege, but I don't think that's not the right term. "right" itself is exact word used in the Constitution. And again, state cannot infringe "on other ways" that is not already spelled out in the Constitution. They certainly cannot deny voting right to anyone that has no crime, is 18 or older and is a US Citizen.

 

Not voter ID news but related...

 

I like now how an entire second paragraph of a post can be dismissed by a passing mention of an article being slanted. Real intellectually honest man.

I had an entire other paragraph addressing the actual topic of discussion, which was the main body of my post and that you conveniently ignored. The mention that the article has a liberal slant was mentioned in practically passing yet you decided to focus entirely on that. I only felt the need to mention the liberal slant because it's painting a narrative over a court decision.

I do think there is enough reason to call you out on the quality of your posts. As another commented about you, your posts contain a lot of insults but short on facts, the post quoted here being a very good example. You accuse Trump supporters of trying to paint a reality but you seem awfully keen on it yourself. That just reeks of desperation.

 

Ok. So how does that make a case against voter ids for dead people casting votes?

 

Online voting would be a bigger vector for large scale fraud beyond single fake or invalid voters discussed here.