Why the Texans still made a huge mistake taking Mario

Quarterback is one of the most important positions on the team, but I'll always stick with the notion that defense wins championships. And you can win with an average qb...see Trent Dilfer

Vince Young no more completes the puzzle for the Titans than Mario does for the Texans. Seriously, it takes a whole collection of talented players working together to create a winning team. And if I'm not mistaken, the Titans went into their tailspin when Haynesworth was injured...in other words when their defense started to suck.

Vince has carried nothing. This isn't even debatable as everyone has been in agreement that the defense has gotten the Titans this far.

There's a reason you don't take one game as a sample size to analyze the whole season. Because you end up coming to idiotic conclusions like this. The fact is Mario has 53 tackles and 13.5 sacks and the team is 7-7 and gives up 22.7 pts a game (good for average). And with this season, with all the injuries, I am pretty happy with that.

Well I have family that lives close to SA and they love the Texans and don't give a s*** about the Titans. So there goes that theory.

Well I agree that he's still only in his second year, so its normal to see him struggle. And he probably will get better...what I don't understand is the Jeff Fisher comment...he's one of the best coaches in the league and if I'm not mistaken, coached a pro-bowl and mvp quarterback in Steve Mcnair for quite a long time. He's more than capable of coaching Vince.



This is some of the most flawed logic I've seen in awhile. Jeez.

 

I can't believe we've dignified this mindless drivel with more than two pages of response. I'm only posting to ask fellow bbs'ers to stop the madness--let this drivel disappear off the bottom of the page quickly.

The writing was so bad, seriously, the guy should apply for the Houston Chronicle.

 

Why has no one responded to this post? I am not a Mario basher but I don’t see how anyone can’t say this doesn’t make sense when they look at what we gave up to fill that position.

I am still on record as rather having VY, but that’s only because I believe he will become a great QB and I think QB is the most important position. Mario has impressed me with his play this year,

 

Why are so many of you actually arguing this? There's no way anyone can seriously believe that... at least I hope not.

 

I know everyone here is probably gonna gloss over this reply but I remember reading Tavaris Jackson is like 8-3 as the starter of the vikings this year, so wouldn't that make Jackson >>> Young? Plus they run pratically the same offense and have the same looking stats. So one could argue we should've taken Jackson first, with the same arguements of VY. Jackson, HE JUST WINS!

 

I've never understood this argument because it completely ignores where the pass rush would come from if Mario wasn't selected. Did the Texans have to allocate resources (two second rounders) to address the QB position since it wasn't addressed in the draft? Absolutely. But had they not selected Mario, they also would have had to allocate resources to address the DE position. They absolutely did not have an excess of starting-quality players. Look no further than Babin's performance in Seattle (not even good enough to break the active roster) and Peek's performance in Cleveland (19 tackles, 4 sacks) to understand why.

I also think it's highly premature to call Schaub "obviously" injury prone. On one of his injuries (Chargers), any QB in the league would've gone down... viciously dirty hit well after the play. He's had his share of shoulder injuries, but we're also talking about arguably the worst offensive line in football.

Of course, the real bottom line... I don't consider Vince the solution at QB even if he were drafted. And I say this as someone who has been called a UT homer many times on this board and someone who was in the stands at the Rose Bowl in both 2005 and 2006. I'd much prefer either Schaub or Rosenfels at this point.

 

In other news.....

 

just listen to Vescey.. and yes, I'm a Texas Ex too..

 

I'd say you're a troll, but that would be giving you way too much credit.

The sheer level of stupidity exhibited here is astounding to say the least.

 

This guy just seriously said that Vince projects to be a better QB that Peyton freaking Manning. Please stop posting. Immediately.

 

Why should Mario be held responsible for the Texans' moves made AFTER he was drafted? The Texans had no way of knowing they'd get Shaub a year after they drafted MW, nor would they know what it would take to get him. What does Mario have to do with any of that? If Carr had suddenly managed to get it and the Texans didn't have to get Schaub, would it be OK if Mario was less of a player than VY?

Or better yet, if we had taken VY and we had to get a pass rusher through a trade, would we be holding VY to Mario's standard if he was playing like he is now for the Saints, Jets, or Packers?

 

rex grossman led the bears to the superbowl too. and i remember when kerry collins led the titans to their greatest point explosion of the season against the texans.

 

Honestly if Vince did what he did best and ran, instead of trying to become a pocket passer, he would be doing so much better. Him trying to prove people wrong is not working and is severely hurting his team. Imagine if they had a QB like Garrard. They would probably be ever better than the current Jags.

 

Only someone with absolutely no vested interest in any of the mentioned teams or players should be allowed to comment on this issue. AKA... me.

Here I present to you nothing but the facts.

1.) Mario Williams is a good player, the Texans corrected the mistake they made day 1 by taking an over-hyped California star instead of a solid Defensive End from a North Carolina school (David Carr over Julius Peppers). The Texans at this point with Young would be without a premier pass rusher and have little offensive firepower since it would likely take Vince 4 years to learn 4 pages of Kubiak's playbook. With Reggie Bush they would have a glorified punt returner / slot receiver cutting back and turning 4 yard runs into 2 yard losses. With Mario Williams they have a premier pass rusher, and 2 capable Quarterbacks who haven't had a lot of trouble getting the ball spread around.

2.) Aaron Stecker rushed for 100 yards in back to back games, Reggie Bush's NFL highlight reel so far consists of him getting jacked up by various defenders trying to break big gains. He is likely nothing more than the reincarnation of Eric Metcalf unless he gains patience. He is much better suited as a change of pace back, which is exactly what he was in college.

3.) Vince Young's throwing motion needs to be corrected. He can make NFL QB throws, but isn't NFL QB smart. He might have to actually study a book for once in his life if he wants to get better. Albeit, the Madden Curse does come into play as a factor for his Sophmore setback. His future looks brighter than Bush's at this point because RB is one of the positions you pretty much can play from day 1, or you can't cut it.

It amazes me the Texans are 7-7 because they currently have a starting safety who was cut by another team in training camp, another safety playing one CB position, and a rookie playing the other. Conventional wisdom says they should be getting torched, but having a pass rush has given them the advantage they needed.

 

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Mario should be held respoinsible for his play. He has accepted and thrived with that responsibility

No but it would make the draft a better move because it would mean they were right in not drafting a QB.

We would not have had such a dire need for a pass rusher as we had for a QB. M.G., Travis J. and our young rookie this year are playing very well. Carr was literally losing games for us.

 

Stay off the Glass Dick

 

I don't know which is worse, this post or KY's passing abilities.

 

Babin played decent here. Not enough to justify his selction but once he was shifted back tot he 4-3 style he did much better. And you don;t trade people in the NFL that are crap. You drop them.

I don't think it premature because frankly he has shown it. I'll accept our line is below average but they have shown excellent play lately. His first season is in summary, one of showing good promise, good games, and overall a dissapointment because of inuries. Some guys just get injured, bad luck, body type, conditioning. I don't care the reason, we only care results.

Well then you are biased and your opinion of VY which sways your assesment of my opinon of the pick. If no matter what you would rather not see VY in a Texans uni then not seeing him there is a +.

 

This thread is great. Talk about stirring up the hornets nest. As for the Mario/ Vince debate. I like both of them and hope they both turn into great players.