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Why the liberals are so panicked about Obamacare: incompetence, arrogance and deception

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bigtexxx, Nov 15, 2013.

  1. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Contributing Member

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    even if people freely choose something minimal for themselves?
     
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    Man! You are all over the place.

    Aren't you the one who has berated people for spending their money unwisely on ****ty products?
     
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    Yes. I will admit that I would like to see these policies vs new standards before taking a side but I do believe there should be a base.
     
  4. Invisible Fan

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    I agree that the Obama admin has been deceptive and incompetent thus far. It was a promise he hammered on his pulpit to sell it, thus his credibility is now damaged.

    While Cons would be first to froth over Nixon-esque paranoia to characterize the Obama admin, I'd describe the last 6 years as neurotic and insecurely disloyal.

    I'm not sure what he's really accomplished over the last 2 years. Maybe it's inaction or a lack of energy to fight that has promoted the website disaster to a higher level of scrutiny.
     
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    His tenure has been marred by hypocrisy, deceit, and incompetence. Don't get me wrong, the man has a gift for spoon-feeding lies to the masses behind the comfort of his teleprompter, but he folded once he got behind the Resolute desk.

    The "worst president in history" chatter will only gain steam as time goes on.
     
  6. otis thorpe

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    He has to accomplish something every year? He has made progress in Iran this year
     
  7. Invisible Fan

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    Several different issues he could bring up, but won't out of mistrust of Congress or his own priority: Economy, Job recovery, Environment, Immigration, tax reform, and stop ****ing with our privacy.

    I don't think he's even trying to initiate anymore. Just base holding and stonewalling.
     
  8. otis thorpe

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    He distrusts the house because they will go all out to have him fail including shutting down the govt. He can't get anything accomplished because they don't want anything accomplished
     
  9. bigtexxx

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    He could have avoided the partial government shutdown with a common sense delay of Obamacare. He refused. Now look at his decision. lol
     
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    Meh, I'd rather see him try rather than distance himself away from the House. He doesn't play Washington well, in fact, he's had a knack at mishandling political issues by throwing his people under the bus, yet he still knows how to wheel and deal with corporations. I don't see much charisma nor reason for his party House members to follow him deeply knowing that they're considered minor pawns to his staff.

    He's as disappointing a liberal president as Clinton was and will probably be ranked around Clinton's number as well, which is generally low 2nd tier. It's a favorable ranking, but all I see is unmatched potential.
     
  11. Refman

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    What gets me about all of this (and what seems to be lost in the minutia) is that the law was passed three years and eight months ago. In the time that has elapsed since March 2010, the administration couldn't build a functional website and couldn't anticipate the cancellation problem and work with the insurance industry to combat it? To pass such sweeping legislation without a fluid implementation plan based on economic contingencies is foolish.
     
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    This he isn't trying hard enough with the house is the most ridiculous criticism of Obama. I can't take anything else seriously if you believe that. Sorry


    I mean Jesus the ACA is the republican plan
     
  13. mc mark

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    Absolutely agree
     
  14. bigtexxx

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    It's not the republican plan. Not a single republican voted for that turd. Obama has to own it. Accountability. No more excuses and blame.
     
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    Remember when they came up with a grand bargain to trim four trillion from the deficit? That was my last straw
     
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    My present insurance plan is a good plan. It provides me more coverage than I have ever had. It is deemed insufficient under ACA and is being replaced with a more expensive policy. I hear what you saying about a base plan. The question becomes what it is. I remember when I was in law school, I had a policy that would basically only cover me in the event of a major medical event. If I had a flu I would pay for a doctor visit. If I needed to be hospitalized or needed significant testing, etc, the policy would cover me. It worked well for me then, as it was cheap and I was young. That kind of financial planning is not possible for young people today.
     
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    If you followed the ACA since inception, the White House already negotiated several key points to different interest groups before even rolling out his objectives to Congress. Single payer and private option were already triangulated outside his brain trust's calculus.

    You can see the same pattern throughout all his other decisions. He's been brazen with civil liberties intrusions veiled as national security because it's perceived by Washington as a tough foreign policy issue, or at the very least would go unopposed by Republicans.

    I can't take you seriously if all you can do is knee jerk with played out rhetoric.
     
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    What a liar.

    The House was pushing for a wholesale defunding of the ACA.

    Why does bigtexxx find it so difficult to simply tell the truth?
     
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    It's fun to see who really is drinking the kool-aid. Makes it easier when I see them post in other threads to simply ignore them.
     
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    Obama is not a liberal, he works with business in a way I think should set a standard in govt and private industry relationships.

    Conservative democrats would not support single payer. This law will evolve.


    So you complain he isn't liberal enough at the same time saying he doesn't try to work with republicans. Can't take that seriously
     

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