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Why the heck this man man have so much respect? Why does his word mean so much?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Caboose, Feb 5, 2007.

  1. Caboose

    Caboose Member

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    not if they are in a car and can still run someone over. a car is a lethal weapon. the cops are supposed to keep shooting until the threat is over.
     
  2. orbb

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    this of course would mean the car occupants were still tryng to run over the police while they cops reloaded thier guns on the way to 50 shots.
     
  3. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    thank you, 50 rounds is a an extreme amount. that's like the shoot scene in "Heat".
     
  4. Caboose

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    A glock 19 holds 16 rounds which can be fired off in just a couple of seconds. So if 4 or 5 officers are involved they could fire off 50 rounds in a few seconds.
     
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    Basketball?
     
  6. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    The scene in Heat has hundreds of rounds being fired, maybe into 4 digits. Any one of the robbers in the movie fires more than 50 rounds in that scene.
     
  7. Dairy Ashford

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    The same reason some televangelists can, too: because their constituent groups are socially and culturally isolated, paranoid and less than well informed.
     
  8. astrorockette

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    Basically thats why black people continue to support him. We all know that Al Sharpton is an idiot, however, whatever his motives, he will get you heard. Al Sharpton offers a voice which happens to be the one thing that always seem to get taken from people of color. So it's much better to have Al Sharpton, and just wonder why sometimes, than to have no voice at all.

    You mean just like every other strip club in the country?

    Exactly, but when will that ever happen?


    Are you serious? The entire history of this country invovles white people, mostly, doing something wrong to black people or other people of color. Al Sharpton just happens to give black people a voice and while it may be a flawed voice, it's understandable that white people don't want to hear it. There are a lot of problems in the black community, granted I'm not saying there aren't. However, from my perspective as a black person in America, white people absolutly refuse to believe that 1. they've ever done anything wrong to people of color 2. racism still exists and 3. black people are still viewed as unequal, and less than people.

    While most crimes against black people do come from other black people have you ever thought about the demographics of the neighborhood where the crime was commited? Crimes are mostly crimes of oppurtunity and they are usually commited in the persons neighborhood, therefore it makes sense that most crimes against blacks are commited by other blacks, while most crimes against white people are also perputrated by other whites. Given the voluntary segregation of our neighborhoods its not really all to shocking that crimes are usually commited against a person of the same race as the perpetrator.

    You mean the same criminal justice system that countinues to discriminate against black men? Yeah, no I'd have much better chances of surviving a game of Russian Roulette, than getting a fair trial.
     
  9. JayZ750

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    O.J. Simpson??

    I'm not saying that your three points are wrong...I believe all of them, and I'm white. Though personally, I've never discriminated against anyone based on race or ethnicity.

    But, if anything, the criminal justice system is about money and power, not race or ethnicity.
     
  10. astrorockette

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    I'd consider O.J. a fluke. The criminal justice system is about money and power but when you're black and you have niether you're a lot more likely to get screwed than your white counterpart.
     
  11. Caboose

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    Black people would have a voice whether Al Sharpton existed or not. It's a shame that there isn't a person in Sharpton's position that isn't a total idiot. I don't want to hear it because half the time he preaches non-sense. I am white, but if a black leader that was intelligent and wasn't an idiot was talking, I would listen.
    I know that white people in the past have done wrong to people of color. I know that racism still exists, but it isn't as prevalent as it was in the past.
    Some people view black people as unequal. I know that. I don't. Many white people in politics and government try to make up for the past way too much by forcing companies to hire black people just because their black or never being able to insult someone like Al Sharpton.

    The biggest problem about Al Sharpton is that he always goes crazy on an issue or what he thinks is a crime against black people or a black person, without waiting for the facts to come out. THe NYPD thing was a crime before anyone knew what the hell happened. That Tawanee Brawley incident was also disgusting.

    Now he wants to sue the NYPD for "racial profiling" because 55% of the frisks or questioning or whatever was of black people. I think it said that 65% of the victims of crimes or people reporting an incident reporting that the person was black. The NYPD has done an excellent job of lowering the level of crime in NY City and that moron Sharpton wants to attack the NYPD for doing a great job. Black people need a voice, but they need someone who is willing to look at things from an unbiased perspective that will make good choices.

    I'm still waiting for a black leader to go nuts about that kid in Georgia who got 10 years in jail for getting head from a 15 year old, when he was 17; on the same day that kid got sentenced a woman in the same courtroom as him got off on probation for having sex with a student. I'm waiting for a black leader to go crazy about a situation where they can help someone instead of b****ing about something that can't be changed. Sean Bell was killed. He's dead. He isn't coming back. Wait for the facts and then if it was totally corrupt go crazy. But why the **** hasn't Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton tried to help this kid in Georgia? Ten years for getting head. He's going to be on the sex offender list his entire life and when he gets out he can't even live with his family, because they have a young kid. I wish Jesse Jackson would stop parading for that stripper in the Duke case that couldn't' keep her story straight from day 1 and would go down to Georgia and give everyone down there hell until the kid gets released.

    White people do listen to black people. They listen the wrong way. Many are afraid of the Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson's. Not afraid at what they stand for but afraid that if they go against what Jesse or Al says that they will be deemed a racist. I'm still waiting for them to go to Georgia and actually help someone that isn't considered the "victim" in their trial, instead of trying to help the "victim" Tawana Brawley's of the world and that girl in NC that just ruined a couple of kids lives.
     
  12. orbb

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    Sharpton may be an opportunist, but he's definitely not an idiot. He understands something that other black activists seem oblivious too: the only way to make politicians do what you want is to play their game, no matter how low it gets. You can hold seminars and talk all you want, at best it gets you a nice photo op with a congressman, handshakes and no results. Its no accident that Sharpton manages to have more influence than several other smarter, more principled activists put together.
     
  13. orbb

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    The police report explicitly states that at least one officer reloaded and kept firing.
     
  14. Rocket River

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    There were two black Coaches in the Superbowl
    It would have never happened if the NFL didn't FORCE owners to at least INTERVIEW Black candidates.

    From experience. . i know, stories that are true. . that are recanted
    Pressure bursts a pipe.

    So do you beleive that black people perpatrate 65% of the crime?


    the kid was wrong
    the sentence is severe
    but
    the kid was wrong


    So basically . .. we need to get white folx approval of our black leaders before they will listen to them

    Rocket River
     
  15. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Yep, Tony Dungy would never have gotten a job before that stupid interview a black person even if you already know who you want to hire rule was put in place. Nevermind the fact that he had a head coaching job with a very successful team before that ever happened. Your thesis is that no black coacch could have followed that same path that Dungy did to face him in the Super Bowl. I think that is rediculous. The Rooney Rule is stupid, which was illustrated by the one time a team was fined because of it. The Lions were going to hire Mooch and everyone knew it, which is why the black candidates they tried to interview to comply with the Rooney Rule withdrew from their interviews. If a team is going after a specific coach, it is r****ded to make them interview anyone else, regardless of color.
     
  16. SamFisher

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    So Lovie Smith didn't benefit from it? He was the bears third choice behind Jeff Tedford and Nick Saban, you know. Boy the Bears really missed the boat on Saban.
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  17. Rocket River

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    The rule is not about making them hire them
    but
    to get them use to seeing the faces
    use to THINKING about them in that light

    Most times. . it is not so much Racist as . .well I just never thought of *that* guy
    If you ask why . . .they would never put their finger on it
    It is because they just don't have that COACH look or feel
    or something . .

    For Instance. . .
    I beleive Forest Whittaker's chances at an Oscar is much better
    mainly because Denzel and Halle's Oscars . . .
    [i.e. I think Jamie Fox's Oscar] . . .Would Jamie had won his
    if RAY had come out 2 yrs before Denzel and Halle's Oscars?
    it is debatable.

    Rocket RIver
     
  18. Rocket River

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    ONE MORE THING
    Tony Dungy got a job at debatable the sh*ttiest team in league
    He *made* it into *something*

    Rocket RIver
     
  19. Rocket River

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    I also understand he is the LOWEST paid Coach in the League too.
    but
    That is just a coincidence

    Rocket RIver
     
  20. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Does the fact that one person benefitted from it make it a good rule? Why stop at requiring the team to interview one black candidate? Are Latinos incapable of coaching football? Asians? Should a team be required to interview a white candidate if they know they are going to hire a black coach? Let the teams hire whoever they damn well please. If they pass over a great coach because he is black, it is going to hurt the team more than the coach, because there are teams that will hire black coaches.
    Obviously some teams already thought of black people as potential coaches, namely the Raiders, Vikings, Cardinals, Eagles, Packers, Buccaneers, Colts, Redskins, and Jets (I am not of Marvin Lewis's date of hire in relation to the implementation of the Rooney Rule, so the Bengals may or may not deserve to be added to that list.) Of course, those are only teams that have actually had black head coaches, others may have interviewed black coaches and gone another direction before the Rooney Rule. Doesn't really seem like there was a problem finding teams that would consider hiring a black head coach before they made a rule about it.
    Just as there didn't need to be a rule put in place to have one of the oscar nominees be black, I don't think there needs to be a rule that one of your head coaching interviews needs to be black. In sports, the colors that matter most are green and gold, and those things come to the people that put out a winning product, not the people who hire only white coaches.
    That is half true. One of the jobs he got pre-Rooney Rule was to coach a woeful Tampa team. The other one was to coach one of the NFL golden boys, Payton Manning and the Colts who had been a powerhouse (albeit coming off a disasterous season leading to Jim Mora's hilarious playoffs tirade).
     
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