Well said, and I'm obviously more pro-men than women. BTW, I love women. I just don't understand their motives. As long as you're looking at facts, look at this: The more freedom women have, the higher the divorce rate. That is a flat out fact. That stated, we, as men, need to understand how to handle it. It can, and will be handled eventually. It is simply a matter of time.
sheesh. seriously, get off your high horse. You bag on others for expressing their views and then go on a self righteous whine
Technically, that's an opinion. In fact, in relationships, the opposite is often true. My mom has been a therapist for 35 years and has done a lot of couples counseling. We've talked about it a number of times about issues in marriages and, quite often, it is smothering that causes men and women to abandon relationships. As for overriding personal freedom, women would be no different than men. Men has always done anything and everything to preserve our freedom. Up until the 80's, we assumed our wives would stay home and allow us to pursue whatever career we chose. Men have affairs at much higher rates than women. A far higher number of men leave their marriages for other women. So, if women experiencing "freedom" causes the divorce rate to go up, it is only because they have forced us to re-examine our expectations and we struggle to adapt. There is no question that the changes in gender roles over the past 30 years in America have created a huge number of social issues we've all had to face. That's life. Given the fact that women STILL get lower wages than men, STILL have far fewer representatives in politics, business and other positions of power and continue to face basic healthcare issues (birth control is not covered by insurance but Viagra is), we probably should just learn to deal with it.
Wow.. So much incorrect info.. I don't even know where to begin. Oh. BTW, FYI, my parents are still happily married after 40 years, and my lil bro just introduced his 3rd son, so I'm uncle to 5, and a father to one. Your mother was a therapist. I respect that. My mother dealt with 4 kids. Not sure which was more difficult. I grew up in a great family. But I'm also aware that most women aren't like my mom. Quite frankly, most women my mother's age aren't even like she was. I'll be curt: My marriage didn't work out, and I was the one who screwed it up. But I've also seen everyone else's marriage fail also. In fact, my sibling roommate is the only one I'd bet on lasting. I enjoy women's company. But I'm also aware (as you need to be) that if every man were to be castrated tomorrow, women would cease to exist. (apologies, Balke. I went Kool and the Gang earlier)
Marriage was always stated best by another fellow Houstonian. He was a Pastor until he met women... <object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Th7PJu9Jo_8"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Th7PJu9Jo_8" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object> And guys.... Looks. Mean. Nothing. Personality. You'll thank me later.
Though said it in a different way than I'd say it, I agree women having more voice and acting out leads to changes for women and men. With a result being men needing to look at themselves (and what they're getting into). Both sides are examining and adjusting and re-adjusting, and a result it just happens to be the marriage numbers that suffer... I do think, actually I POSITIVELY believe, Women just plain choose bad men and think they can change them. These "bad boys"... That can be a whooooooooole other thread. And I think there are whole websites specific to that topic lol. I say in way more than half the cases the signs are apparent from the very BEGINNING their men are going to stink. They just simply overlook the initial glaring red flags, and think that Victorian looooooove will see it through. I mean its very terrible a man doing something horrible to a weak defenseless undeserving woman.... Then also, Whitney Houston knew who Bobby Brown was before they met, when they met, beginning and during the marriage, few kids later. And STILL stood by his side. Just to be cracked out and divorced later. We all loved sweet Whitney bad in the day, but SHE made the choice. BRITNEY made her marriage choice. And THATS why regular guys complain lol.
Birth control definitely should get consideration to be covered. Hell, I'd put that on my plan if I could. Women get lower wages than men because they lose time from their jobs to have children. A lot do not even return to the job or even their careers. Of course the effects of that might help a remaining male or 2 prosper in a possibly newer expanded role. And put a hindrance on the women's career mobility, experience level, then ultimately wage scale. An employer simply's going to pay more to the person who's going to be there most the work days And maybe to a male who's busting to get it extra wages because he becomes the family's sole wage earner and can't slip up.) Women need to have the babies, but its just an unfortunate side effect.
Female extra Marital affairs are on the rise and also . . .women keep secrets better than men I don't trust polls. . .cause a woman will die with that secret in her pocket while men will think . .will this be anonymous and no one will know it me??? . .well . . yea i did it [Men will admit to an affair more readily . .esp if they think it has no consequence such as an anonymous poll . . . . . no women would want to look like a Slut . . even to a Pollster] Plus I have had some homegirls with all kinds of weird definitions for cheating [well it was . . not 'cheating cheating' . . . etc] so the 20% number . . . . I really don't buy it I think as a woman's opportunities increase [i.e. she is not longer homebound and being a homemaker she traveling for her job . . and out meeting different men etc] I think her chances of cheating increases just logical Rocket River
Today The cable guy is coming over. I better bonk my wife over her head with a club and throw her in the closet so she doesn't hump him.
Well she was an American girl Raised on promises She couldn't help thinkin' That there was a little more to life somewhere else After all it was a great big world With lots of places to run to And if she had to die tryin' She had one little promise she was gonna keep Oh yeah, all right Take it easy, baby Make it last all night She was an American girl Well it was kinda cold that night She stood alone on her balcony Yeah, she could hear the cars roll by Out on 441 like waves crashin' on the beach And for one desperate moment There he crept back in her memory God it's so painful when something that's so close Is still so far out of reach Oh yeah, all right Take it easy, baby Make it last all night She was an American girl
very maybe it is just Profiling . .. that seems mighty acceptable these days Rocket River it is just from personal experience . . ..
is profiling acceptable to you? i understand we all have personal experience. but it's dangerous to extrapolate that out to whole segments of society. i think that leads us to places we don't want to go. i think that's exactly what Jeff is trying to say.
I agree. People will take as much as they can. It's human nature. You can't necessarily fault people for that. The problem lies in the way the laws are written. I say fix the unbalanced/unfair family laws.
