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why Kyle Lowry must start over Aaron Brooks

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by trugoy, Nov 10, 2009.

  1. MightyMog

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    He is shooting 40.6% and he is a career 42% with an average of 6FG.......So i guess in your definition, he is a starter.
     
  2. leebigez

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    Just like the west coast offense in football, every coach has his variations of this offense. The nets and hornets had scott as a head coach. Scott was under adelman, but he was also in the riley school with magic as well as others. He adjusted his offense because he had a great pg, not good. Good coaching will adjust to great. If you think the offense ran by rick in sacramento was the same scott ran in jersey and with the hornets, you're wrong in so many ways. Paul dominates the ball like nash and in jersey, kidd dominated the ball also. Now they ran some motions, but it was primarily a kidd ball dominated offense. I'm sure if adelman had kidd or chris paul, he would change the offense also, but he's not changing the offense for lowry. Jackson changed some of the triangle for shaq becasue thats what a coach should do. Coaches change and re-arrange for greatness, not average.
     
  3. choujie

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    LOL at some fans. "NBA starting PG must be able to shoot at least 40%", ask Rondo Parker, Derick Rose etc. for that. Jason Kidd had his best years shooting 3s worse than Alston.

    When AB comes back, he'll still start, not because he's better, but because RA doesn't put player on bench because of injuries, unless he is pissed by that player.

    Lowry already has proven he can start, against good teams too.

    Look at all AB nuthanggers had to say:

    "PGs are not going to have high assists in RA's system", Oops, Lowry proved them wrong, with low TO numbers too.

    "Lowry can't play against starters" , Oops, Lowry proved them wrong.

    Now simpley " AB is a better player" with no proof.
    Basketball is played on both ends of the floor. Offense, defense, hustle, rebounding, reducing TOs all counts. It's clear since last year Lowry has made a much bigger impact than AB in terms of team winning. Even though Rockets need both PGs, Rockets is a better team with Lowry when one of the two is injured.

    Winning is more important than offense, winning is more important than who is "better". Lowry simply gives more wins to Rockets than AB since last season. AB lovers are just in denial mode.
     
  4. leebigez

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    Brooks is better. If both were offered in a trade, brooks would get more suitors than lowry any day.
     
  5. MightyMog

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    I agree, that's why AB will get traded for a superstar (assuming we get a chance) and Lowry will start......
     
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  7. choujie

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    Again, "better" without proof. Brooks is better at shooting and creating for himself, that's about it. He has no advantage over Lowry in any other aspect of the game.

    Brooks at 1 mil certainly is a better deal than Lowry at 5 mil.. But after this season when Brooks gets paid, will he still get more suitors will be a big question.
     
  8. leebigez

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    Lowry is a down grade to brooks no matter how you cut it up. If the rockets make this mythical superstar deal, you best believe a pg is in the package also.
     
  9. leebigez

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    He is a better player whom defenses plan against, No team plans against lowry. They just play lowry. They don't trap him at the hash or tilt the defense towards him either.
     
  10. MightyMog

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    I highly doubt it. If a mythical superstar is in the deal. He would want a passing PG to get his points........

    Because KM + Mythical Superstar = a lot of touches....add in a shooting PG (unless the PG averages less than 9 FGA) that can be a bad thing.
     
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    you think a superstar wants the opposing pg checking his johnson size or playing his man? Dumb argument as usual.
     
  12. choujie

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    Funny, that deosn't prove Brooks is "better". Teams plan their defensive strategy based on who are the scoerers on the other team. AB was the first option last season, so it's natual for other teams to try to stop that defensively.

    It only proves AB is a better scorer than Lowry, but it doesn't prove AB is "better" over all, and it doesn't prove AB wins more game than Lowry.

    Virtually every player is a better scorer than Chuck Hayes, yet Hayes is better or at least contribute to winning than many of them.

    You have been the type of fans who only see value in scoring and shooting, but ignore other parts of the game which leads to team wins.
     
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    Now come on Lee, you know good and well that nothing is different with the way teams play Lowry or Brooks. They leave them both alone to do their things. Stop cluttering the matter with variables. You're making stuff up. :grin: :grin: :p
     
  14. leebigez

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    In the nba, games are won and lost by impact players making impact plays. Brooks is a more impactful player than lowry. Don't believe me, listen to every pre game when brooks is playing. Everey sentence starts with stop brooks from penetrating. Now I know you're in the morey school of thought in which all plays are created equal and all points are created equal, bu they're not. When teams have to plan for you because you are a dynamic player, that means you're better than the guy they just let play.
     
  15. BucMan55

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    And I think Brooks starting with Lowry backing him up is better for team wins than Brooks starting with no Lowry or Lowry starting with no Brooks. Which for this season and the last part of last season has not been the case for this team.
     
  16. MightyMog

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    Not as dumb as you thinking Ish makes Lowry expendable.

    As expected another dumb response.

    Obviously a backcourt of KM and AB works.....
     
  17. BucMan55

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    Worked last year until Lowry went down. And haven't had a healthy Lowry/Brooks together this year so can't really tell.
     
  18. MightyMog

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    They have a losing record playing with each other since last season.

    Go see previous threads.
     
  19. choujie

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    LOL. Is your "Impact" an imagination or a fact?

    The fact is "+/-" clearly shows Rockets gain points when Lwory is on the floor, Rockets lose points when AB is running the show. Isn't that big enough an "impact" ?

    Every sentence starts with stop Brooks from penetrating is again ONLY ONE PART of the game. It doesn't count for all the passing, all the reboudning, all the defense, all the hustle players.

    No, I don't think all players are created equal. When you talk about 3s, you take AB over Lowry anyday. But when you need a stop, when you need get good shots for everybody else, when you need to create some TOs, you take Lowry every time.

    Just to remind you, as "good" as AB's offense is, his TS% is only 55%, way way lower than Martin. Besides the last postions when game is really close, it's a better idea to get the ball to Martin or even Scola than AB shooting by himself.

    Offense is measured by efficiency, not points scored. I believe you didn't understand this last year, not sure if you understand it now.
     
  20. sammy

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    Lowry has been a straight up pit bull the past few games esp in the fourth quarter.

    I've been saying it all summer. A Brooks/Martin backcourt is as weak-sauce as it gets.
     

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