Mobley gonig to raise the bar for Green. I hope this is just a strong draft and Mobley is just learning quicker than the others...but yeah he's already good. His defense is already good. What it will be once he adds muscle and more experience? Same with his offense? He might be the unicorn he was advertised to be. This is what I was worried about. This is why I think you ALWAYS get the more unique prospect. That's what Luka was, a 6'7 PG, you're not seeing that in every draft, you see that guy there you draft him. Mobley is a 7 foot guy that could probably play SF...you see that in the draft you take it. Even if Mobley doesn't get any better, which is certainly possible, he's still a damn good player that would start on playoff teams today. I felt like not only was his floor better than anyone in the draft but his ceiling, because of his size, could very well be top 5 player in the world. This post is no disrespect to Green. Of course I think Green will be a good player but as of right now this is how I feel about it. I can only react to right now. I don't want to hear about "Let's talk about this 2 years from now." We will. Lord willing I'll be here 2 years from now to talk about it but right now...I had wished we drafted Mobley. Hopefully Green will prove me wrong and maybe the next draft as well. But I honestly don't feel like the bigs in the next draft are Mobley...I feel like this was a special one we missed out on and a year from now we'll be trying to draft the next Mobley instead of just having him on our team.
This is a great draft class, pretty incredible to see how NBA-ready and talented some of the rookies are. Mobley is already looking like the best (at least most impactful) player in the Cavs, which is a completely different team when he is off the court compared to when he is on. I am upgrading my expectation for him to Kevin Garnett.
Bosh was never a great 2nd banana, he was 3rd wheel u say that if Jalen Green isn’t a #1 guy on a championship team, then it’s a problem, but bring up Bosh and Gasol who were nowhere close to being that either… Zach Lavine was putting up 24, 5, and 5 in his 5th season…u talk like he just started putting up numbers this year… put Zach Lavine next to Embiid, and all of the sudden he’s a good 2nd banana too Smh, the only people bringing up Kobe and MJ with Green were some Rockets fans and maybe some random article or 2. Understand that 1st. The rationale of Green being Kobe and MJ only existed in the minds of a section of Rockets fans who were overhyping him. U really need to stop acting like that was some mainstream opinion from scouts or some sh*t. I’ve already told u numerous times it wasn’t. if scouts were saying that Green can be Kobe/MJ, then he would’ve been #1 on all their draft boards because nobody was claiming that Cade could be on Kobe or MJ’s level, but newsflash for u, he wasn’t. The only thing that was a consensus about Green is that he could 1 day be 1 of the best scorers in the NBA, and he is very athletic.
Cade Cunningham appears to be on the verge of making his NBA debut. Per James Edwards III of The Athletic, Cunningham isn't listed on the Detroit Pistons' injury report ahead of Saturday's game against the Orlando Magic. Cunningham has so far missed the entire preseason and first four games of the regular season due to an ankle injury. He originally suffered the injury during practice on Oct. 1 when head coach Dwane Casey told reporters he turned it. it’s about time…dude suffered the most severe minor ankle sprain I’ve ever seen with no training camp and preseason, I expect him to struggle starting out the gate
Cavs get Mobley so many easy buckets. This is in no way a disrespect to Mobley. I watched the “Mobley breakout game” highlights on the nba app from last night and it’s wide open dunk, wide open lob dunk, wide open dunk. It’s great. That’s what he should be doing. Then you add a couple of your own plays here and there and the solid defense. super impressive. Leading Roy candidate for me, Barnes very close second, nobody close after that. Rockets can’t get any of their guys easy buckets much less their rooks who have to get them for themselves.
I think the whole line of "we'll pick a great big next year" or "we wouldn't have gotten Sengun if we picked Mobley" are really dumb arguments. You pick the best player you can in the draft and it looks so far like that was Mobley or Barnes. You don't say that you can't pick the best player this year because you have a 10% chance to get a great big the following year. That's like saying you wouldn't pick Sampson because you could pick Olajuwon next year. Just another excuse to move the goalposts.
@palmsnbananas The rectangle on the backboard is 18 inches in height. His elbow goes almost to the center of that approx 7 inches since the strip is 2 inches wide. Fingertips about 7 inches from top of backboard. And from the time clock..... nevermind. Forget about it
I mean…. Mobley would look… well BAD if he was drafted by the Rockets. They don’t have guards that can get him the ball much less any offensive system. Defensively he would help but bear in mind the Rockets are confused af out there on defense half the time. Barnes wouldn’t look as good either but it would t be as much a change for him because he’s a bit of a slot him in any situation with his unique size/skill combo and it can work. I can’t stress enough - though I did in a thread I made lol - the impact being done to these players by the coaching staff and lack of veteran leadership. My hope remains that they learn on the fly and ultimately that’s better for them but we’ll see.
Wouldn’t be the same. We need to sell out for Banchero .. y’all want someone that’s going to be NBA ready out the gate with superstar potential.. we must get Banchero can’t wait for Chet to put on 100 lbs
The justifications in here for Green are hilarious. We can explain the pick using the same reasoning we can use for everything Tilman does. He's cheap. There clearly wasn't a basketball reason to pick Green over Mobley. We picked him because he has a huge instagram following, and he'll help sell tickets while we suck. If you couldn't string that together before the draft, then congratulations! You helped Tilman sell tickets.
as some wrote before mobley is good but nowhere near a guy who facilitates for other players on the contrary other players are facilitating game for him. Cavs are playing with 3 bigs to shine their #3 big. i am wondering if we replace sengun with mobley could mobley do what he is doing right now with this system. Or what sengun would do with a pg like rubio .
this is the video I mentioned a few posts back. Again this doesn’t discount Mobley. And it’s only 5 of his 10 made shots. He was 1-2 from three so he has a shot, too. but the concept is he’s getting a ton of easy looks which offensively help put him at ease. defensively he’s great. https://www.nba.com/watch/video/evan-mobley-hl-package?plsrc=nba&game-highlights=0022100077 long story short though… no, in Houston he’s look more like he looked in summer league, where it was unorganized chaos basketball of sorts…. Which is what Houston’s current offense is.
We disagree but I see your point. A better PG would help Green, I just don't think he would help that much. Green will look good if he makes shots and look bad if he doesn't. I don't think a PG helps him as much as people say. Is it his teammates? Is it the system? Is it the coaching? Or, is it that Green is not as good as people said he would be? And I think it's a stretch to say you can tell how well a player would play on another team. What do you think Green's stats would be if he was playing for Cleveland? He's shooting 37.8% on two pointers, what would that be at Cleveland? He'd still be driving and getting stuffed for Cleveland. Can Cleveland help him shoot better than 31.6% from 3? GOF refuse to say "Yeah, Mobley looks better than Green now." They can't say it. We'll see in 20 games or a year what they look like, but now it's clear that Mobley > Green at this time.
Ok you guys are right I was looking at his two dunks from 30 pt game and was really confused why everyone was saying his eyes were rim level! That dunk that he missed he is legitimately beyond head hitting the rim with eyes at rim level that is insane!
Mobley is a unicorn, he is going to make the Rockets regret passing him. I say that believing that JG will pan out as a great player.
This.. Straight facts Mobley is exactly who everyone thought he was The only reason a GM would take Green over Mobley is A: if you did not think Mobley was who he proved he was in the NCAA and so far in the NBA B: You think Green is Kobe level Green is not ever going to be Kobe because his defense is absolutely atrocious and his body is much thinner, so the expectations for green are that he should be scoring at historic levels to make up for his defensive short comings for the pick to make sense. So far he’s playing horrible D and therefore the bar for him scoring wise is even higher. Mobley is a defensive unicorn that’s what he was advertised to be and that’s what he’s shown in the few games so far. No one cares about his scoring unless he was a liability on that end. Turns out he’s scoring extremely well shooting above 50% and spacing the floor at times which is all extra Mobley’s defense was as advertised maybe better Offense is better than advertised Green’s offense is worse than advertised Defense is exactly as advertised which was horrible That’s my take. For the pick to pan out/make sense with Mobley being exactly who he was expected to be is for Green to be a historic scorer, scoring better than expected. That’s the point. I’m not talking Bradley Beal or Lavine (he may or may not reach that level either). That’s why the pick just doesn’t make sense to me and it’s playing out exactly as expected. The way that people were selling this pick is that green is going to do things that we have not seen before scoring wise and that’s the reason to pass up on a sure thing defensive unicorn. However both players showed up and were exactly what we expected. Now there will be goal post moving throughout their careers to make people feel better. I’m just confused why with two players the same age we discounted and downplayed ones entire career, and the other we made excuses for his entire career to justify picking him. Turns out both players were exactly what their pre-nba careers showed. And you’re right the next few drafts people will be looking for the next Mobley to rebuild a franchise around and guess what there won’t be one. The only team that had a chance to get him was us. Rant over
