I think dominating in the gleague proves you can be an NBA player but not the star that some people are assuming. Tons of guys put up big numbers there and some can still barely make rosters. We can't quantify effort buut I think college players have a lot more to play for than G league players because not only do NBA scouts watch them but international ones do as well. It's the shortest route to making a ton of money basically. You are playing against professionals but like...no one, and I mean no one, goes to the G league hoping to do big things there. It's just a temporary place to be until some NBA team or international team takes notice.
Yea, I brought this up with Wiseman too. People bring up that Wiseman is a bust (even though that's not fair, he's barely played and definitely has had flashes) but Wiseman was also reach to fill their need for a big man. I think Rockets should look for the homerun here and for me personally I think that homerun is a potential two-way big.
Currently there is only one player over 6'6 on the roster, you are advocating for the Rockets to go into next season with a late 1st round pick STARTING at either the 4 or 5 just so you can add yet another SG that can't run an offense. I see that as short sighted. If I thought that athletic SG would for sure one day learn some PG skills while morphing into a 25-30 points per game player, I'd be all for taking Green and just tanking next year, but I'm not that high on him because he's such a project player.
Scouts watch lot more games than even some of our avid hoop fans here. With the information given, they do the best they can. For a while most of the mocks still had Mobley as the solid #2. One of the espn draft guys who had JGreen at #2, says Mobley has one of the highest floors. So not sure where, the high risk thing is coming on Mobley. Most mocks had Mobley at #2. I'm personally a little puzzled at how 50/50 the split is here or 40/60, people here are on Green. It's fun to debate sure, (and this is not directed at you), but I feel it's good keep an open mind. And not turn green v. mobley into a pepsi v coke or a dc v. marvel situation. Because one of the rookies, is going to be on this team, and I'd hate to see the fan base already root against them because it wasn't their guy.
Would was bullied at time, but saying he didn’t block anyone is crazy. He was Hartenstein absolutely dominated the G-league. He hasn’t quite solidified himself as any more than 10-12 man on a roster yet. You can say Green was the number one recruit out of high school and had some great moments in the G-league, but I wouldn’t ever use G-league stats or performances as a predictor for 20-25 point scorer in the NBA. Cade or Mobley for me.
He is far from being a bust, just raw. He averaged 12 and 7-8 for a stretch of games before getting injured. I think it is not realistic to treat everyone like Lebron scoring 20 ppg in his first year, that is insane. The only other Centers the Warriors had in recent years were Bogut, Ezeli, Looney and Dray.
That's not the argument, just the G League has stronger, better players that use NBA rules compared to the NCAA.
Ok, say it's not the argument... it still doesn't mean that Green's game will translate against NBA competition so I don't see why it should even be brought up. Fact is, this guy could have come out of highschool and been a top 5 pick. He could have went to Michigan (IIRC which was the plan until Covid) and still be a top 3 pick. The only way high-school prospects drop down a board is if they don't play well and disappoint...so I don't think it's all that relevant that he played in the G league vs NCAA...it's not like the NCAA has a bad track record of producing superstar players. The main reason that Cade is #1 (and he still might not go #1) is because his knock was shooting and he quieted those concerns in college. I guess what I'm saying is...it's not like Green's stock drastically improved from playing in the gleague and I think that's because scouts feel the same that it's really not that big of a deal that he put up the numbers he did there.
The G League is the closest facsimile we have to the NBA because of the similar rules. It's essentially the NBA's minor league. Cade is almost the complete modern NBA package, a point wing that can score and defend. With Mobley, just watching him go up against the closet thing to NBA competition would quell my fears. It's just another data point when trying to figure out who should be #2. I have never denied he has the highest potential.
Great discussion in here. Thanks aelliott, JayGoog, and others. As an old-timer I've always been partial to the big guys roaming the paint...like dinosaurs in today's game. I'm partial to Mobley because he fits the new-style big man well. But, damn aelliott has me wavering... I will be happy with either one.
But that's the question we have about any prospect. How would they look against NBA competition, that's the ultimate question and mystery. The truth is the G is filled with guys that would be at the end of an NBA bench if they are lucky, so you can't really take much from it. Guys are just sent down there to work on things, to get rep, to stay in shape...I just wouldn't use it as a knock against players that didn't play in the G or it's not some significant point I'd make.
And the NCAA is filled with guys who would be on the end of the G League, which you don't seem to be understand. Yes they are sent down to the G League to work on their PRO-fessional basketball skills. The G League is a developmental league as we should know being a Rockets forum with the Vipers affiliate. It's just an objective fact that the players are better, faster, and stronger in the G League. It's just another data point and I'm sorry if it doesn't work in Mobley's favor....
I'm excited see how Jaden Hardy does with Ignite next season. His TS should be thru the roof and we already know he can create, get to FT line and play hard nosed defense.
If comparing assists then have to acknowledge Green was also on a much more talented team than Cade. Potential assists is also a thing. So there is that.
Again, relative to college ball, it's more indicitive. While most gleaguers would barely make the bench on NBA teams most d1 players will never play pro anywhere after they graduate college and have no shot in the gleague.
I really don't get the Jalen Green hype. Is getting annoying, and I just hope the Rockets trade the pick now to end these Jalen Green threads....
I mean, so? Again, we're acting like the NCAA is a bad pipeline to the NBA. Mobley didn't spend his college career going up against complete scrubs at some community college. We can see what Mobley did against good NCAA teams and competition, no one cares what he does against scrub teams. It doesn't work in anyone's favor though is the point you're missing. If it did, then all the gleague rooks would be ranked over the non gleague rooks...but they're not...because NBA scouts know the gleague isn't indicative of much. It's just grasping at straws at this point and honestly I'd put more in an interview than Green did in the gleague. As I mentioned, these 3 guys could have come out of high school, literally, and still get picked top 5. NCAA/Gleague can only hurt their stock because they were all very much hyped players coming out of high school. You can quit all the unnecessary snide remarks bro, I'm not dumb, I know it's a 'professional' league...let's not act like all 'pro' leagues are created equal or next we'll be drafting some guy because he dominated the Chinese league.
The guys that have no shot in the gleague probably aren't relevant to the conversation anyhow. Most guys won't play in the G because it's a numbers game, most high-schoolers won't play D1, etc etc. The actual relevant players will be playing in leagues better than the Gleague though. I think Bobby and others bring up good points that 'Insert NBA scrub' plays well in the Gleaugue so what does that really mean? It means the league is SEVERAL tiers below the NBA. It means Green was supposed to dominate and he did, which is good, but it guarantees and says close to nothing about how his NBA career will go. This is the same for the NCAA guys too.
Well you keep arguing things I'm not arguing.... I'm not suggesting or saying NCAA is a bad pipeline.... Just in the context of splitting hairs between two close prospects it's good to see them going against players that will be of a more similar size, strength, and speed of the NBA and playing NBA style rules. As to why G League rookies aren't being picked over NCAA, that's simply because the best overall prospects still go to the NCAA. Conversely, hundreds of D1 players will never be good enough to go pro or even the G league. Clearly that is starting to change and may change even more if high school players will be able to go straight to the NBA.
I think the G league is arguably a step up from China but the last time the G league decided to take a team of their top talent and go up against international teams, they lost out to a German team that failed to make the EuroCup or Euroleague playoffs.....so yeah. I think it's pretty clear they are at least a step down from the top leagues in Europe.
