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Why it needs to be Mobley...

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Landry's Tooth, Jun 27, 2021.

  1. pass_to_Hakeem

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    Nah …… and with the number 2 pick in the 2021 nba draft, the Houston Rockets select


    ….. Jaaaaalen Greeeeeewn
     
  2. Milos

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    You prefer the 8th seed purgatory of the Kmart years instead?
    IMO that is the absolute worst place to be

    If you lack a superstar core, top 3-5 picks are surest bet to find them for teams wo cache to play the Superteam sweepstakes in FA

    You genuinely preferred the Drayton model of being consistently average over the Crane model of suck-to-dominate?

    Not me
    I'd split every decade of my teams' in half if I could:
    5 years irrelevant for 5 years elite contention
    10 years of not quite good enough is pure fan frustration for me
    The other way I can tune out for 5 years angst-free, then really enjoy the 5 years of legit contention
     
  3. hakeem94

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    thank you for the interesting write up but a lot of jumping to conclusion here
    5 years of being irrelevant doesn't guarantee youll be elite next 5 years... on contrary

    OTH as 8th 9th seed you can absolutely draft your MVP at pick no 15 giannis or 41 jokic etc booker pick no 13... dpoy rudy went 25 or something.. dpoy draymond was pick no 30 something

    look at these finals alone... a lot of non lotery picks playing huge roles,
    be smarter do better!
     
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  4. peleincubus

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    You are right but so is the other poster. There are other variables as well that will have an effect on the way you go though.

    1. The Rockets have their picks for the next two years. Then proceed to have swaps etc going to the Thunder.
    2. Those 2 years coincide with Wall's contract, you then get to use that space.

    With the young team, the Rockets have there will be a ton of FA space to try to fill a hole in the lineup. Those variables in my opinion create a timeline where if you don't want to likely have to give assets to trade Wall you then get a few top picks while giving all of your young guys playing time. Then ample FA space and Nets picks giving you more chances to create a superteam down the line if you have your top picks work out from these 3 years/FA space. There are so many bullets in the gun that you should eventually hit the target and fill out the team accordingly.
     
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    I’m about to check this out. It just dropped today. I watched the one they did on Green already.



     
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    Jalen Green: "I'm the best prospect in the draft, in my opinion... because I didn't go to college and I played against grown men who was already killing it in the NBA right now. I just think as a 19-year old doing that, I'm the best player in the draft for sure."
     
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  7. Milos

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    No doubt
    High draft picks are only valuable in the hands of competent personnel people ... and even those good at it mess up all the time

    But that's kind of my point
    Extended suck gives you the most premium picks
    This mitigates the flops

    Luhnow doesn't get crushed for Appel, Aiken, Whitley, Daz, etc
    That's only bc he hit big with Correa, LMJ, Bregman, Tucker

    Without the extended tanking over 4+ seasons, the Astros never get their championship core together on the same budget-friendly roster in 2017

    If he doesn't gut the MLB roster completely, we don't have the spare parts like Musgrove to go get JV, Cole, Greinke

    Luck and talent seem to usually find each other
    Even Luhnow must admit he didn't know Josh Fields would net him Yordan Pujols
     
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  8. ApacheWarrior

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    Does having other teams picks in the future change that in your opinion?

    Nets possibly falling apart in a year or two
    (Harden rumored to only want to try out Nets for 2 yrs.....1 year down)
    Player option for 22/23 season....I thinkth he wants to go back to California

    Detroit #1 in 2022
    Nets and/or Miami #1 in 2022
    Washington #1 in 2023
    Milwaukee #1 in 2023
    Nets #1 in 2024
    GSW #2 in 2024
    And so on.....

    I know the rule is approximately 8th is Team Purgatory because our picks
    rarely improve our status; but will other team picks help?

    Just a question, interested in your opinion
     
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  9. Rudyc281

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    Whats the protection on Detroits first next year again??
     
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  10. ApacheWarrior

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    Let me put this disclaimer......I entered Rockets future picks and
    clicked on first site listed. I can not confirm nor deny that the
    site has picks updated.

    But the premise remans the same......many picks or facsimile there of

    Edited: Pistons 1st Rd Pick
    2022 (1-16 protected)
    2023 (1-18 protected)
     
  11. Glendelicious

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    Howdy, I haven't posted in years but was just reading the Dean draft stuff and it cheered me up and thought it might do so for you as well. Check out his historic picks; he's got a pretty impressive record of calling booms and busts. He says that the Rockets are in a position to get the best player overall. (I was about to say "we are in a position" but haven't been able to muster that sort of phrasing since Omelette bought the team.)

    https://deanondraft.com/2021/06/22/2021-draft-lottery-guide/
     
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    CF needs to have this podcast transcribed because Vecenie nails the analysis.

    Mobley may not talk much, but he THINKS the game.

    That's how smart this kid is.

    And his ambidexterity, skill, size, length + vertical pop are crazy.

    No one wants to see Mobley in Houston, supposedly Rockets organization would not have resources in place to maximize his potential.

    Makes you wonder why everyone is so desperate for Houston Rockets to pass on the player with the GREATEST upside in this draft?
     
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  13. Milos

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    IMO ...
    The picks beyond 2023, or that windup outside the top 5, will probably not manifest their value as a drafted player that becomes a rotation piece for the next Rockets playoff team

    If everything goes right ...
    It is possible Stone found four key rotation pieces amidst the misery of 2021, and set this team up to become a juggernaut by 23-24


    2 POTENTIAL STARS OUT OF NOWHERE

    KPJ has the talent, skill and mindset to become a star as Harden-lite
    CWood just arrived as a 20-10 center
    Time will tell if they have the professionalism and focus to become stars on a contender
    If not, they may be no more than KAT & Russell, piling up empty stats on perennial pretenders


    2 MORE POSSIBLE PLAYOFF CONSTRIBUTORS

    Even if he doesn't get any better, Tate will get minutes in the NBA for a long time with good health
    Reminds me of when Bev first arrived
    Not talented enough to be a good starter, but grimey enough to be a bench contributor for a championship
    KJ is the one I'm not sold on
    The highlight jams & swats are fun, but not enough to carve out a long NBA career
    He must make major strides next year as a shooter and on-ball perimeter defender to stay in the mix long-term


    At this point, I'm going to use the current Suns as a blueprint for building a Rockets contender in 2024



    DRAFT THE SUPERSTAR CORE UP TOP
    Booker Ayton

    The picks made this year, next year, and in 2023 should provide the core foundation of this team
    Optimistically, I'm hoping Stone's warchest of picks yields 2 more top-5 cornerstones to join this year's #2 after the 2023 draft
    This Suns team's foundation was drafting Booker and Ayton


    AGRESSIVELY TARGET KEY PIECES IN DRAFT
    Bridges Cam Saric


    All the various non-top-5 picks in 21, 22, 23 should be used to maneuver up the draft board to target specific players identified as possible core/rotation pieces
    If it costs #23 + DET pick to move up and snag Jalen Johnson ( or whomever they Target ), they shouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger
    Phoenix wanted Bridges and worked out a draft day trade to get him from PHI


    THE FINAL PIECE
    Paul


    At that point, we finally can emerge from the Wall + EGo dead weight to make a serious addition via FA or trade with a veteran hungry for a ring and primed to lead the youngsters
    Hopefully, we would be positioned as a premier destination for whatever superstar that off-season is fed up with 2nd Rd exits and is looking for help on a new supersquad
    This is where those 2024+ picks from DET, GS, etc will come into play as currency to get such a player


    CONVERT REMAINING DRAFT CAPITAL TO VETS
    Payne Craig Crowder


    Once the team becomes a legit contender, the roster emphasis will shift from unproven potential of youth to the reliable production of experience
    Morey infamously auctioned off 1RPs every season for years trying to find vets that fit with Harden before the deadline
    Much like PJ and Oladipo last year, the 2023 Rockets should be converting late picks into proven veterans to help win playoff series
     
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    Mobley much better defender than Ayton was coming out of college.

     
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    5 long guys who can all create offense, inside and out - for themselves and teammates, is the next evolution of the game.

    If those same 5 guys can also switch everything - watch out!

     
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    Mobley's ability to cut is one of reasons media liken his skills to a wing.

    He is so smart, sees the entire floor and moves so effortlessly that haters conjure fantasies about lacking passion.

    Even 7 footers dont just roll out of bed and understand game like Mobley does.

    He is high IQ but his abilities were honed by study AND hard work, not just God given talent and height.

     
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    Great piece from a neutral writer.

     
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