Hey coach, Rudy invented the inside out game, remember mr. lifelong Rockets fan. So running the offense through Yao would be Rudy Ball.
Holy ****ing ******* ****. I can't ****ing believe I ****ing addressed this in a ****ing post in the same ******* thread and you can't ****ing take the time to respond, but do feel the need to reiterate the same ****ing argument that I already ****ing addressed. If you want to ****ing disagree, feel ****ing free. Who the hell knows, maybe I'm wrong. But reiterating a point, without any difference, that I just addressed coming from someone else, is meaningless. Waste of space. BBS clutter. Either address my points (which, if nothing else, are logical)... or don't speak. SamFisher: Good to know you can end discussion with a single statement! I don't get it. Usually you're a pretty logical guy. But htis time you seem awfully willing to just toss logic out the window because we won by 30. newsflash, we've had blowouts every year for the past 4 years - and yes, even in the terrible lottery years. By themselves, they mean almost nothing.
Yetti, the game was won by the third, and we have a game tonight against NJ. Yao has MAJOR fatigue problems and when we can get a win without using the hell out of him, we take it. Is that so hard to understand?
That's not what Jeff Van Gundy said. Jeff mentioned in the article posted in this very thread that our team was passing the ball more. JVG said that, and he said it referring to last night's Bulls/Rockets game. The team did what Jeff wantd most of the time, and while you claim that the team reverted playing 'I' in team basketball was when our lead opened up. It was in the third quarter when we totally broke it wide open. While Yao may not have gotten as many touches then, it wasn't because of a selfish on on three style of play that we used to see. It was because the ball movement ended with the open guy getting the shot. Sorry if that open guy wasn't Yao enough for you, but it was smart basketball. And JVG mentioned our passing positively, so it appears the team is playing mostly within his system.
In last night game this wasnt the case!He was ignored and even at times looked like he was just running up and down the court and didnt even try to rebound. I understood that Yao Ming was going to be making the pass out for the three point shooters, this was not the case in this game.
Holy, f***ing god damn, I apologize for not reading this idoitic thread in its entirety. You guys saying Yao didn't get enough shots remind me of the slow kids trying to the square pegs in the round holes. In sports you adjust and take what the defense gives you, and that's why its nice to have more than one option on the team. Remember when the Rockets could never beat the Sonics in the early nineties, they were the short bus kids trying to stick the square peg in the round hole, contiually dumping the ball to Hakeem when it wasn't effective against their double teams. Last night the Bulls tried to guard Francis one on one and got burned, now its on to New Jersey. At least save your b****ing for the midway point of the season. Anyway, dude you need to lighten up in general, I guess fustration in life makes you hate people like Lebron James and the Rockets after thirty point victories. I'm sorry it isn't going so well for you.
Didn't really look like the strategy for last nights game was to get the ball to Yao. Yao really didn't look to score. Every time down the court, he would try to post up one time, if he couldn't get the ball, then that was it for him on that possession. He would just stand out on the perimeter for the rest of the play. In the past, if he couldn’t get the ball the first time, he would repost again and try to get the ball. I'm thinking Van Gundy purposely made the team play a more perimeter oriented game. Mix it up a little and make the offense look less predictable. This makes other teams respect both the outside and inside game of the Rockets. Part of the reason Memphis had such success was because they packed it in on Yao and made the Rockets beat them from the perimeter. Once they did that, the Rockets looked completely lost. After the Bulls game, teams will think twice about doing that. If teams are going to pay that much attention to Yao, the other players are better prepared to take advantage.
By themselves, every game means nothing, or techincally it means 1/82. Considering that this was only an NBA game for about 2 periods, I might even revise that downward to 1/164. So your gloom and doom and my satisfaction are equally meaningless, by your definition. But if you haven't noticed a difference in kind between the way the Rockets play this year and last year, after only three games, then we have been watching different teams. It was a big win. Enjoy it. I know that you think that you are calling out the icebergs from the deck of the titanic, but there will be at least 30 more opportunities for you to b**** this year after losses. Save it for those.
you really dont understand the game do you?? I notice you arent responding to the other people onthis page that are shooting down your arguments about this. I wonder why that is? I wastched the damn game, every minute of it...and when I get time today, I will review the tape...but from my memory, it looked like they did just what has been said the gameplan will be.. Just like in football, where you establich the run to open up the long game..in this offense, they are establishing the post to open up the rest of the court. It just so happened last night that it wasnt necessary for Yao to score every time down the court....gotta save some juice for the Nets..where he will have a much harder challenge. If VG's instructions were not being folowed, dont you think he would have done something about it?? They obviously did what the coach wanted, Im sorry if Yao's stats dont make you happy....they obviously made the coach happy..
The Rockets took quality shots last night and played solid defense. When I see the Rockets I see a team of players all wearing the jersey, all trying to contribute to a win. They succeeded in that twice so far this season. I could care less who shoots the ball, how many times in a game, as long as the shots that are taken are good shots (i.e., points in the paint and open shots within a player's range). For you Yao Ming fans, have you considered the possibility that he's not aggressive enough to shoot the ball 20 times a game? Not that it's necessarily bad, he often can create better shots for his teammates than if he shot it himself.
I've only skimmed through this read, but there needs to be more understanding on this board from both sides. Why are the so called yao only fans pissed off at the way we played even though we blow them out? Because we've been playing selfish ball the last 4-5 years and haven't gotten anywhere and it's fustrating to watch through the years I tell you...I've lost a lot of hairs because of the Rockets. They've played like idiots running around with their heads cut off for like 4 years with not much improvement and all the excuses in the world. A win is a win you say? You don't learn from wins but you learn from losses. You cannot ignore your problems after victories. If these problems continue to persist (which I don't think will under JVG), we'll have big issues. If you do not see these problems just because we won, you're just an idiot. Be more understanding when people vent. The great news is that we are playing alot more unselfish under JVG. There are still several bugs we need to fix, but things are looking up for us. Give JVG some time and I think he's smart enough to see these problems and iron it out (unlike Rudy). We've improved a great deal playing teamball so as long as we are improving under our new coach, I have no complaints. Venters, be more patient and watch us improve....I have faith in JVG.
I didn't want anyone to miss this. Did any of you Yao-Only fans remember that we have a game tonight? Sure, let's run the offense through Yao every time down the floor even though we're up by 20+ points, our shooters are red hot, Yao has fatique problems, and we have a game against the defending Eastern Conference champions in less than 24 hours. Sounds logical...
liked what i saw in the first half about the Yao touches...i was getting very angry when the guards and Mo were jacking but when they hit nothing but net i was satisfied but i know that not always going to happen, hoping that if they were missing those shots it would have been a diff strategy but you cant complain it did seem at times that yao was open and looking for a pass in the post and mobley or moochie just dribbled away ( off topic i dont care how many mobley scores package him and mooch right away please god) not a yao only fan but i think this team would and should run the offense through the the big man, not at times but throughout the game winning or losing he had 6 in the first 3 minutes,,,9 in three quarters that should say something
"A winning is a winning." I heard that a few times last year. We had 30pts blow out game, we had 15pts comeback win, twice against Boston; we had last 5 mins turnaround also last year. Guards’ ISO did prevail sometimes. They have the ability to do it a few times. But if they were so successful, why we didn’t make the playoff last year, why we all agree that we should play inside-out? Because they turned out are not so successful. Last night when I saw Mobley went 1 on 3 at least in three possessions and took bad shots, Taylor went one on one and shot every ball he received, Francis and Moochie shot 3s even before Yao got his position and grab rebound, I couldn’t help but thinking: the Rudy ball is back. The only difference is those shots were just falling last night, just like some games last year. But when you shot 60% 3pts facing a crap team like bulls and blew them out, that only worried me that it would enforce some of the bad habits and made them think this was the way should be played and “we played that way for last 5 years”. The truth is for the majority time they were not that lucky. I just won’t be so happy when they won the ball game using old fashion, blind to what happened, and screaming we should play insider – out when we lose. At least I am consistent.
Here are four trades that the Rockets should make: Steve for Raul Lopez and Keon Clark Mobley for Jerome Williams Cato for Shandon Anderson Taylor for Adonal Foyle and Evan Eshmeyer With a lineup like that, Yao would HAVE to take all the shots.
Back by popular request... Half-time = 55-35 Rox. Q3 11:25 - YM/KC double high post evolves to SF/KC 2man TO KC 11:00 - SF ISO miss 2 10:18 - JJ -> YM -> MoT 2 9:54 - SF -> YM posting -> SF baseline TO 9:40 - Bulls TO SF FB Dunk 9:04 - JJ - > MoT ISO miss 2 8:40 - JJ -> YM fouled (makes both 61-39 Rox). 8:03 - SF -> MoT ISO miss 2 7:42 - 1st CM touch in half court set! 7:07 - SF/YM PnR SF miss in lane 6:52 - SF/CM 2man CM driving miss 6:15 - CM/YM 2man CM miss @ hoop 5:36 - YM/MoT double HPost - SF -> MoT -> CM -> w/side driving 2 4:57 - SF -> MoT -> JJ miss @ basket 4:28 - SF/JJ 2man SF 3 4:07 - CM/YM PnR CM pullup 2 3:32 - SF ISO fouled 3:18 - SF ISO rev to w/side -> JJ -> CM miss 2 2:52 - CM -> MoT ISO miss lane 2 / YM foul over back of Curry (a "tired" foul IMO). 2:52 - 67-46 Rox 2:25 - SF - JJ (2man MoT) / JJ revs to w/side -> BN - SF (2man YM) rev back to w/side / SF -> BN corner 3 w 4 sec on clock (This is excellent ball movement!!! 2 reversals back to the weakside for a wide open 3. How can any Rox fan complain that Yao didn't touch the ball on such a beautiful possession?). 2:00 - SF drive miss 1:27 - SF -> MoT -> JJ backdoor 2 1:03 - JVG subs SF & YM / 72-48 Rox. 0:40 - MN -> MoT -> JJ postup 2 0:07.5 - MN -> MoT -> JJ -> BN straight on 3 Q3 - 77- 48 Rox. I've been onboard with Yao from the first day we got the pick but some of ya'all are so narrowly focused you are really missing something of true beauty because it is so slow in it's progression. Weakside players movement, ball reversals to the weakside, back door cuts...who cares about Yao's shot count. This team (with the possible of exception of Moochie) is re-learning the game before your eyes!!! And they're doing it with two rotational player on the IR. Stop missing it!!!
The more I read this thread the more I wonder about the game some of you watched. Francis and Mobley played within the offense. They played great D. Their coach seemed happy with them. What more were they supposed to do? I did not see a bunch of wild one on one free lancing in this game. Just some clarification questions for some of you. How many minutes would you play Yao per game? How many touches should he get within those minutes? How much of the offense should rely on him? Will you accept any offensive production that is not run through Yao Ming?
