That's just nonsense. We're talking about basketball players, not office workers. You made the statement that Green taking the point more often will hurt his FG%, in the process also implying that the reason why KPJ has very poor shooting efficiency is because he plays PG. That has never been a known correlation. Here is a basic example: James Harden became full time PG and went from averaging 29/7.5/6 to 29/11/8. His overall TS% also improved from 59.8% to 61.3% whilst playing fewer minutes than before. James Harden significantly increased is production across the board, shifted over to a full-time PG position, and nothing changed. If you are going to make these types of correlation, then you would also not deny the logic that Green being 5th in touches, as well as being next to toxic locker room characters (Wood, KPJ) is the reason why Green isn't exploding as much as he could be. After all, it's just "basic human nature" that not being as involved during work, yet also working with toxic colleagues, will have serious detrimental effects on personal performance.
You aren't interested in discussion, you just want to play hard to like and constantly argue - clearly you don't understand human nature, and how compounding pressure - is a problem, especially when young players are developing. I mean come on you are talking about a fully developed Harden vs a 19 year old kid......not even close to the same. You do you - we aren't going to agree, and you won't agree on anything you favey Green needs to work on, it's ok, you are a Jeremy Lin/Jalen Green fan... DD
I'm not even going to respond to the rest of your post, show me the last time where I even talked about Jeremy Lin is any positive context, or any context for that matter, and I'll happy concede the entire argument. I mean, where did Jeremy Lin even come from? Sounds like something a Karl Malone fan would randomly bring up.
Again you missed the context ONLY fans like you are not interested in discussing anything, you are interested in protecting your favorite player in some weird White knight way..... I don't care to engage in that stuff.....he has work to do, is not good enough to initiate the offense, and is doing just fine as a 19 year old. End of story. DD
Of course he has a lot of work to do, he's 19 years old. This is why I said him having the ability to run point is another question entirely, but historically that has nothing to do with FG%. Then you start ranting about office work environment. I guess the difference between me and you is I know Green has a lot of problems and could even be a bust, but he's 19 and deserves time to improve. You somehow are making it a mission as a 50 year old to spend your internet time ranting about a teenager. Seriously, how old are you to be talking about "white knighting"?
Been saying this all along. I don’t think the offense needs to be ran through him every possession, but the way he’s being utilized in the offense isn’t what’s best for him. KPJ was being overly relied upon and when they scaled that back a little, he flourished. There is a proper balance they need to find with Green as well. There is something to being in rhythm. Harden fell out of his rhythm in Silas’s offense too when he was being asked to play more off the ball.
I would rather have Lin running the offense then Green. Now let’s bring back Lin, Dmo and Melo. Let’s get this thread really going!
I'm skeptical of that since statistically the lineups where Jalen Green was the PG have one of the worst efficiency differentials in the league. The simple truth is that Green is getting the minutes and the shot opportunities for his style of play, but he's just not making his shots. You can see he is attacking the rim more but he's too skinny and gets the ball taken from him. The best thing you can say about him right now is that he is good at getting offensive rebounds at critical points in the game. His shortcomings (the skinny frame, the streaky scoring, the lack of defense) were known before the draft and people knew he was a one-dimensional player. I wanted Mobley and I think most people are lying if they told you given what we've seen thus far this season they would still take Green over Mobley. Not all is lost because we still have Sengun's development to look forward to. IMO, Sengun is the most talented rookie and the conversation should be more focused on him than Green. As a Rockets fan, I just have to hope that Green has the work ethic to succeed and in 2-3 years the Rockets look like geniuses for getting both Green and Sengun in the same draft.
Honesty it’s all about growth and development. If he’s an on the ball player, I don’t have an issue with teaching him how to play off the ball, but the two things don’t have to be mutually exclusive. He is not a catch and shoot player. Most elite offensive players in the league are handed the ball and given the autonomy to “cook” and make decisions. His growth is being stunted for the sake of what? Trying to win more games when we could clearly benefit from another top 5 pick and elite talent infusion to pair with the rest of this roster. Name me another guard drafted top 5 in any recent draft that has been given the role Green has been given standing in the corner. When he does touch the ball he feels pressure to try to score because he doesn’t know when he’ll get another opportunity. And if they truly feel he is incapable of that responsibility then yes, they clearly over drafted him and should’ve taken somebody else. As far as Sengun goes, I’m a fan, but he has a bunch of limitations he’s going to have to overcome as well.
We had a player that was allowed to cook (Harden) and you see how far that got us. That's simply not championship-winning basketball. Jalen has to learn how to play off-ball and get others involved as a playmaker. I want Jalen to succeed too, but I'm tired of the excuses I'm seeing. Green fans want to blame Silas, KPJ, Thies, etc for Green's struggles rather than hold Green accountable. I promise you, no one on the coaching staff is stunting Green's growth when he's a starter averaging 30 min per game and averaging 13 field goal attempts per game.
If you’re referring to how it only got us as far as a game 7 and at one point in time a 3-2 series lead against one of the greatest teams ever assembled (no hyperbole here) without our 2nd best player then I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make. Please don’t confuse making excuses with observing and analyzing basketball. I don’t make excuses for Jalen Green. I comment on what I see. When he was playing bad at beginning of the year I said he was playing bad. After he played bad last game, I’m saying again that he played poorly. I can also say I think Evan Mobley is right now a better player and still believe in Green’s future and also point out that he may not be being utilized in a manner that is best for his development. Just like I and many others pointed out that the Wood/Theis lineup was not a good lineup and that KPJ needed to handle the ball a little less to alleviate the pressure he was placing on himself and find his game.
Yes, Green needs to learn how to play off ball, but there needs to be a balance. He eventually needs to be trusted with the ball or they wasted this pick. I believe that. They should’ve just drafted somebody else. He won’t be worth his draft slot if they can’t develop his on the ball game. I also believe that you learn by doing and making mistakes. There will be growing pains, but now is the best time to live through those. Yes, Green as a rookie is getting enough shots and playing enough minutes, but is he getting those shots in rhythm? I see a guy standing in the corner not involved in the play most possessions or even touching the ball and when he gets it, he either has to decide to catch and shoot it or try to create his own scoring opportunity going to the basket. They literally spam the same play for him pretty much every time he gets the ball. You know the one. That’s how predictable it is. Hypothetically speaking, if you were the coach, is this what you would do? Park him in the corner and every 6 possessions run him off a screen at the top of the key facing a set defense packing the paint?
I'd give him the ball and let him cook. On the 2nd unit. When he plays with starters for 10-12 minutes, he needs to play off ball and defend like a demon.
Exactly what I think too! I’m ok with him paying his dues, learning to play off the ball, and deferring to the “vets” but there has to be moments in the game where he knows it’s his time to do his thing and that we (the coaching staff) believe in you even through the misses and turnovers. We want to see what he’s really made of. Maybe he really isn’t that dude, but he hasn’t been given much opportunity for us that are truly unbiasedly trying to assess his game at 19 to go off of. Although this isn’t something he’s ready for yet, we’d like to be able to project if it’s something we can possibly look forward to seeing in his future.
