I'm glad to know you are weak minded and easily manipulated. I like food and breathing oxygen too. add that to your list.
does talking about Tracy McGrady in Orlando also count as glorification of the past? (technically he won nothing for the team, so no glory) what about saying all the 'what if scenarios' of his past stints on other teams or on the Rockets? If tracy healthy = they would have been champs? it's not living in the past, it's actually knowing what really happened and not speculating what happened in the past. or even thinking that the past will happen again, oh tmac will be the scoring champ like he was in orlando. it always seems like the argument you (all the tmac apologist) say use the term "If healthy" fool me once, fool me twice, fool me twelve times? nope. yeah, when someone posted the Jamario Moon video and said that Tmac couldn't have stopped him, I posted the Dream blocking Strickland with Strickland running full speed and Dream starting from stand still at the half court line. That was about leadership and what your TOP PLAYER should play like. <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/iGHBKp8wF3A&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en&feature=player_embedded&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/iGHBKp8wF3A&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en&feature=player_embedded&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> I use the Dream as the STANDARD that Rockets superstars should live up too in effort at the least.
I was not referring to the 2009 squad when I mentioned scrubs. The 2005 squad had a still developing Yao Ming, and Bob Sura. Then David Wesley? Scott Padgett? Ryan Bowen? They took the Mavericks to 7 games. The 2007 squad had a still recovering Yao Ming, and Shane Battier. Then Rafer Alston? Luther Head? Juwan Howard? They took the Jazz, who would go on to the WCF, to 7 games. The final game showed the inability of our frontline to secure crucial defensive rebounds. The 2008 squad did not have Yao Ming, had an injured McGrady and rookie versions of Scola, Brooks and Landry. Brooks received little to no playing time behind the likes of Bobby Jackson and Rafer Alston, who was also injured. They took the Jazz to 6 games. The 2009 squad did not have McGrady, but had a healthy Yao Ming for the most part, Ron Artest, and more developed versions of Scola, Landry, Brooks, and Wafer. My post asked how you expected McGrady and Yao to achieve anything substantial when paired with scrubs. The two times they were both healthy (2005 and 2007, if you're still stuck in the 90's) I believe they were paired with scrubs. You've got to admit that the supporting cast of 2008 pales in comparison to the supporting cast of 2009. We still didn't do anything substantial. Had McGrady been healthy, that might have been a different story.
you call them scrubs now, but at that time we were beating the Mavs and they fit in JVG's philosophy of hard defense and for offense it would be relied on our 2 stars. Maybe JVG was overconfident that our duo was good enough to handle that pressure. but that's what you pay them $$ for. And JVG has taken a team to a Finals before. Again, the if Tmac was healthy is the broken record. the 2nd broken record is if Tmac had better teammates. Sooner or later you have to change the music man. or it's like a scratched DVD from Netflix, it's not going to work. but that VHS tape of Clutch City and Double Clutch seems to work just fine in the old VCR!
Nobody is manipulated. You are just tiresome. The Us vs. Them siege mentality you exhibit around here all too often is just stupid. Nothing more, nothing less.
apparently you aren't tired of this thread. or let me put this bluntly, you aren't tired of MY THREADS. or else you wouldn't be here. you'd be talking about Darius Miles or Erin Andrews.
So...hard defense with no offense...aka scrubs? Surrounding our two stars with defensive-minded scrubs obviously didn't work, which is what my original post said: I don't think they're scrubs either, and I believe if our '05 squad had them we would have beaten the Mavs to a pulp. Earlier, when I had asked you why the '98 team lost in the first round, you replied: So you think if Olajuwon had better teammates we would've won? You know, a younger Drexler, a competent PG, someone who could guard Malone? You have the most obvious double standard I've seen on this board, and I often wonder if you make it a point to drench your posts in hypocrisy. You keep bringing up players from the past, so tell me this: outside of our stars, do you think we had better teams in '05 and '07 or in '94 and '95? In other words, stop living in the past? Stop listening to the same record from 1995? Because that seems to be all you post about. I think I might know why...
I don't think I brought up Tmac in this thread...did I? No, that was you... I don't think I brought up Orlando in this thread...did I? No, that was you... I don't think I brought up "What if" scenarios in this thread...did I? No, that was you... I didn't mention what "if Tracy was healthy"...but I am hoping for our sake that Tmac will be a scoring champ again...why? Because he's still on the team! And guess what, him being a scoring champ might help us win...or make him more valuable in a trade. Wow, I must suck for wanting something good to happen to the team. And since when am I a Tmac apologist? Do you know me? I rarely even post about Tmac because I don't like contributing to those kinds of threads. There's nothing that can be said that hasn't been said already. So where do you get your crap?
And I was already an adult during those years. And I remember Maxwell all to well. He gave us a few good years after SA dumped him for his attitude. He came to us, played hard, with energy, and was a very streaky shooter. He shot us out of games as well. He was a ROLE player, not a STAR. He got his open looks and cuts because he had HAKEEM OLAJUWON. That doesn't take anything away from the guy, at all. And he totally went into meltdown mode and let the team down in 1995. It wasn't the first time, and it would eventually get worse when he QUIT on the team. Vernon Maxwell is the biggest quitter in Rockets history. He is the guy who FAKED and injury and played golf while his team was in the playoffs. And you complain about T-mac? What a hypocrit. There was a true rockets guy - a guy who played harder than Maxwell, who played with more fire, with more heart, hit big clutch shots, and played better defense. A true Rockets fan would know his name and celebrate him, not Vernon Maxwell. Hardly anyone here has given t-mac a free pass, what we've done is defend him against the likes of you and anti-sonic who rip the guy and turn him into the devil and then you bring up a guy like Vernon Maxwell who has an even bigger flawed history. Just inexplicable. Oh, the guy I was referring to - the man I admired as I watched the Houston Rockets as an ADULT - his name was Mario Elie. Guess since you were just a kid you missed that.
Hey NewYorker! Good to see you are going around getting banned again. As the new king of TOFs, I was wondering when you'd show up. As on queue you show up stir up the 'TMAC HAD BAD TEAMMATES' debate or say bad things about Maxwell. Hey say what you want about Maxwell, the fans of Vernon Maxwell never threw their teammates under the bus. We all knew that Maxwell had issues with his contract and was a little hot headed. Hot headed and cheap > lazy and overpaid
once again. get this through your head. THE HAKEEM ERA ALREADY PRODUCED TWO CHAMPIONSHIPS. ok, so when you ask about why we lost toward the end of that era and compare to the TMAC(YAO) ERA.. THE TMAC ERA HAS WON NOTHING, NOT EVEN CLOSE you see the difference now? ok here's your excuse -HIS TEAMMATES SUCK he's been in the league for over 12 YEARS it's not like he's been on the CLIPPERS for 12 YEARS. Even the Clippers in 12 YEARS made it past the first round. This means, TMAC's teams DIDN'T ALWAYS SUCK, it was partially HIS FAULT.
AntiSonic might be a little passionate on his disdain for Tmac. I have disdain for the people who make excuses for him and glorified his stats. But AntiSonic has been here longer than most of us, he's member #9. And he still posts alot and he's passionate about the Rockets winning and believes that Tracy is the root cause of lack of success. He's got evidence to back that up. And AntiSonic has NEVER BEEN BANNED like you have. He follows the rules on this board just like me. Sure you sent an apology letter to Clutch and all that, but us old timers here know that you HAVE NOT CHANGED at all. Diss me all you want NewYorker. Diss antisonic too. We never disrespected Clutch and never will.
Actually it's the ming era, yao is our "corner stone" according to morey. Also when you lose a playoff series IT'S THE ENTIRE TEAMS FAULT. You like to throw the blame on tmac because he had one bad year, and then you say we didn't get out of the first round because tmac sucks. My excuse will be the team failed big time in 04-05 HUGE in 06-07 and we were a bit short in 07-08 and 08-09. It was everybody's fault that played on the rockets during those playoff series.
At least you changed it up from "IF MCGRADY" thanks. And for Maxwell, a dude who made about 10 times less than Tmac, he sure did have some memorable games. this is one clip from JBIIRockets, one of the cluthfans here! Keep it coming dude! <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ty-WW3bW55g&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ty-WW3bW55g&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
Haha, you are NewYorker Tinman, not me. You are. You can't refute anything, so you go on this disgusting, lower then a slimeball personal attack. You have nothing to say but to try to get under my skin. You sir are completely pathetic.
