Herro was super-duper impressive in the bubble in his rookie year. But then he focused on celebrity lifestyle, had a terrible sophomore year, and looked like he was gonna party his way out of the league, Chandler Parsons’ style. He got his act together this year. But this second year will be there as a red flag. Will he still be motivated in hoops after he gets his post-rookie deal? Suspicion will always linger if he’s a serious hoops person.
Agree with the picks, disagree on Herro not getting our rebuilding project going unless if you're saying by getting Herro we would've lost out on Green, which is a fair point. I'd take Green/Cade/Mobley over Herro as better prospects to build around, so there is that argument. But, Herro is a nice young player worth including in a rebuilding core and will be a nice role player at worst if he doesn't reach his full potential. I'm certainly not crying over the fact that we didn't get Herro, especially knowing how much hard ball Pat Riley plays. That was probably the only sweet part of the deal. So assuming Herro wouldn't have stop us from getting a top 3 pick, Herro > 4 picks and 4 swaps on a rebuilding team? I don't think he is, but that's very much dependent Harden/Durant/Irving until 2027.
Again coaches can only take players so far. Players are accountable to execute. Any player can tell you this at any level in sports. Coaches can help guide players but ultimately it’s up to players much like how teachers can’t do your homework or take your test for you. Now there’s truth to what you say about vet presence being important on a team. The Rockets certainly lack this as only EG Theis and Augustin are the older more experienced vets. And unfortunately two bad character lackadaisical guys play heavy minutes and may be a bad influence on Green on and off the court. If you count Wood who hadn’t played much in the NBA before couple years ago as a vet, his actions shows he leads no one. The Cavs are a better more well rounded team with several vets (7) consistently in the lineup including a world champ (love). Garland already has 2 seasons under his belt as well. Their solid foundation is one of the reasons Mobley is thriving Whereas the Rockets just don’t have a solid core of experience combined with talent and this group features several rookies along with some second year guys who didn’t have much continuity last year.
But also as I mentioned its about finances and looking at our window and timeline. Herro is a free agent after 2022-2023. This is the same time Wood is and Tate if they pick up Tate’s contract. There are other intriguing big names out there that year. Would it be wise to dump at least 20 mil in Herro when there’s all these other matters to tend to or would it be better to develop your team through the draft and mid level/vet min priced vets?
He would be a RFA after the 22-23 so essentially you would use the time from when he's on your team to then to decide if he's part of the future. And with the trajectory he's currently on with is obviously still up, any young rebuilding team would see him as a key piece.
So if im understanding this correctly these people including yourself advocated obtaining Herro in a harden trade for playing 2 and a half years with a possibility of not having him in your future plans? And with not as many draft picks for the future? Remember the main reason Stone’s team executed the trade with the Nets was to get back draft picks at a time when the nets big 3 might be gone and nets will rebuild. But also to build Rockets assets which was gutted by morey. Again its the long term. I think whatever happens Stone’s approach is smart and calculated.
at no point did Herro look like he was gonna “party his way out of the league” what a huge load of BS
I've been on the herro package since day 1 and have said this guy is one of the future stars in the league. At the time it was reportedly including the likes of duncan, achuwa, picks etc.. We'll never really know what the actual full package was. We have no idea about actual future plans. It isn't about that. The rockets have Green and we can say he have no idea if he's going to be here after his rookie deal. That's the way it is. You use the time to evaluate and someone like Herro is obviously someone worth evaluating at his cost. And given his development starting from year 1 there was a ton of potential to see what ceiling he actually has. He has a killer instinct in his game. Outside of Morant, he's by far been the best rookie in that 2019 draft. It wasn't gutted by Morey. it was gutted by the worst owner in the league Tilman
Herro’s definitely been in the lab working on his game…people can bring up coaching all they want, but he’s put in work someone like KPJr is shooting 61% on free throws…it makes me question exactly what he does over the summer…he does not come in for extra practice sessions with Lucas
Dude,,I spent most of that year in Miami. Last thing on Herro’s mind was basketball. Looks like he’s straightened up, I mean he’s still only making rookie money…
Morey was there before Fertita and his style was always sacrifice the future to win now. CP3 acquisition was executed before fertita bought it from Les. And you’re missing the point. Green will be here 4 years in a time when we are developing players and building for the future. That was part of the plan. You’re talking about getting a player who only has a couple years before free agency in a bug payout year at least 20-25 mil. The timeline doesn’t match with what the team is doing which is building a young core through the draft and getting vets at the min.
tilman was the idiot who gave up all the picks and forced the westbrick move that involved all the future picks. Then the rockets had to get them back. None of morey's move impacted what picks the rockets are dealing with now before tilman came along and completely messed that up. what part of the future when cp3 was acquired in 2018 do you miss? Beverley? Lou? Dekker? Trez? Liggins? Wiltjer? Hilliar? What has any of them remotely done since? In fact morey had the picks, tilman used to get westbrick in the first place and wasted them. Instead of using those assets to improve a perenial contendor he was gifted. And look at the rockets now. they went from a perennial contender with the best backcourt in the league by far, to the worst team in the less than 3 years with tilman at the helm.
There are people who have spent their whole life in Houston and are still clueless when it comes to the Rockets. U spending the year in Miami means absolutely nothing
This means next to nothing. not even sure why you felt the need to tell anyone because it is irrelevant
How is it irrelevant? I read the local media, talked to Heat fans all the time… What are you talking about?
the only one talking out of their ass is u “Herro was on his way to partying himself out of the league”…lmao, what bullsh*t
