If we recieve Simmons in a trade I believe Simmons and Woods would be unstoppable for the present and the future. Simmons does not need the ball in a half court game....he is 6'10 he could setup at the block while a 6'5 guard is guarding him. He is EXCELLENT in pick and roll and Simmons and Wood would be fun to watch doing their pick and roll offense. If the Rockets trade for Simmons and then trade PJ for a more athletic and taller player(Aaron Gordon) we would be set. We would be know as a Defensive Team(we would hang our hat on defense), I can see 20 points a game for both Woods and Simmons, Walls a great leader and Cousin helping out on the boards and 3 pointers. I believe EG is going to be great shooting the rock for us this year as well.
So yall want to trade your franchise player for Herro, a rookie who overperformed in the playoffs, over Simmons? I'm not sure what the bolded is.... Brown is $27/4 years while Simmons is $34/5 years.
Giannis is not Simmons. He's more like Dwight who can dribble and pass. If Capela could bully his way to the basket like Dwight in his prime, he'd be more expensive. And Simmons doesn't have that physicality to do what Giannis does. And he is making about the same amount Harden does for the next 5 years. Huh? I didn't say he's useless without the ball. Capela isn't useless. Just very limited on offense. There are other big men who can do the same. Simmons's strength isn't being the roll man or the lob threat, it's his play making. There are examples of bad shooting good play makers who can be effective. Jason Kidd was the best example. But Kidd's shooting was never as bad as Simmons. Rubio and Tony Parker are lesser examples. They too were never as bad as Simmons. And both Kidd and Parker improved their shooting along the way. Simmons never even tried. In short, if you take away the ball from Simmons, he's just a rich man's Capela. If you let him be the ball handler, he's a poor man's Kidd. Either way, it's not a good bet on him being your franchise player.
To be clear, I want Brown. But how do you know Herro over performed? 2nd of all Herro is 20 years old and his body should mature, this should.ake him a better defender and all around player. Plus this isn't just Herro, it also is Precious/Nunn/three 1st Rd picks. So essentially counting Herro/Precious and 3 first Rd picks equals 5 first Rd picks and Nunn for Harden, plus you open up a ton of cap space.
I wasn't trying to compare Simmons to Capela apples to apples. Just making a general observation. Why don't i want Ben Simmons at that salary? Because he's a liability in the clutch. Because playoff basketball often bogs down to half court basketball, where he is offensively his worst.
Simmons literally plays like Capela already. Ben Taylor, probably the greatest scout in NBA media, calls him a big man outright. He lives at the dunkers spot in halfcourt. Only times he’s a PG is in transition.
Semantics. Look, Simmons is an enigma is no doubt. That's fair, but I would add there's much more basketball than just the clutch. I wouldn't want Simmons taking the last shot but I'd be comfortable him setting up the winning shot. However, what about all the times leading up to the clutch shot. Lots of basketball is played outside of those moments. There's pros and cons to each package. Jaylen Brown isn't close to Simmons in playmaking and initiating the offense so you'd need either John Wall to really step up or go get that elite playmaker to pair with Brown. Sure, Brown could hit that clutch shot but he won't be the primary ballhandler or playmaker.
That was a pretty pro Simmons video...... You post the wrong video? We all know he can't shoot. The video is called The Point Bigman.... So Simmons is constantly effecting the game then? Either by setting screens off ball, being the primary ball handler, or being a switchable defender? I wish we could trade for Luka, but we aren't getting someone who can be the primary ball handler, scorer, and clutch player.
That's true, but i'd rather swing for the fences and have it not work out than take the known quantity, who at this point will be forever flawed in that way.
Ok. I was wrong, Simmons can score but not anywhere outside of 2ft. So again, we're gonna trade Harden for another rim runner? We already got Wood who can actually shoot outside of 2ft. We can get a better package than Simmons
I'm just of the opposite philosophy in a Harden trade. MPJ and Herro would be a swing for the fences trade for me.
The sentiment is, even if Herro and Robinson don't improve, AT ALL, for the rest of their careers, they'd still be elite role players who would fit well as a 2nd or 3rd option behind a star. Simmons is just... Simmons. He is what he is. Herro COULD be Devin Booker, but worst case scenario, he's still a very serviceable 18ppg second or third option. Which not only makes him easy to build around, but also makes him valuable in the open trade market two or three years down the road if it doesn't work out. Simmons is not. His value will continually drop because he's going to get nothing but older. If you trade for Simmons, he IS your star, and that's not good enough.
And neither are Herro and Robinson as "elite role players"...... still need another star to go along with them. We needed another star to go along with Harden..... We'll need another star to go along with Simmons too.... or the super duper role players. And that just assumes Simmons won't improve at all...... which is just a crazy assumption.
Worst case scenario of a career 13 ppg is 18 ppg? Lol. You know the meaning of worst case right? The worst case scenario of Herro is he becomes Hayward 2.0 in terms of health and he never develops his defense. In either case increasing his PPG by 5 pts as the "worst case" just shows how biased you are. You are talking yourself into not making sense. Here is a pop quiz, who would fetch more in the open market a star or a "2nd or 3rd option roleplayer"? Why would anybody build around a 2nd or 3rd option role player? Since when the last time the Rockets built around Eric Gordon? Lol Simmons would fetch less as he gets older? Man Simmons just 24. You really worried about how old he is? He's just a year older from rookie Obi Toppin smh.
You dont really make any sense like I said you keep trivializing everything Simmons does and then magnifying his flaws lol. First of all lets talk about salary. Yeah so Simmons isnt as good as Harden. But Harden is a top 5 NBA player in the league you arent comparing Simmons to Harden you are comparing him to Spencer Dimwiddle, Pascal Siakam, Jaylen Brown and Herro. Simmons has the highest ceiling among all these guys despite his inability to shoot. You think Herro is better than Harden? I mean sure Herro is making rookie scale now but he wont in 3 yrs, he will either make the max or not make the max. If he makes the max then he is also making the same salary as Harden and if he doesnt then the Rox just got ripped off cuz they traded Harden for a roleplayer. Dwight is already a max player in his own right, nobody would say 24 yr old Dwight didnt deserve a max. So add dribbling and passing to Dwight and you still think thats a bad deal? Lol. Same thing with Capela. Add dribbling and passing to Capela he becomes a bonafide max player. So whats the point of you saying Simmons is just a rich man's capela then? Its like you are confirming Simmons is a max player simply because 6'10 guys like Capela dont have dribbling and playmaking. Kid and Parker shot better than Simmons, but Simmons is a much better defender and rebounder than Kidd and Parker as Simmons can guard guys 1-5. At 6'10 he is a mismatch nightmare as well, extremely athletic and can dunk on people that Kidd or Parker never could. Not everyone in your team needs to be a spacer 1 dude needs to go in the paint and slash. Why cant that dude be Simmons? He is 6'10 athletic AF has good handles and playmaking. With everyone else stretching the floor it doesnt matter if he cant shoot since he can do everything else. In short, a rich man's Capela without the ball isnt bad. What does Booker do without the ball? Will he rebound? Will he defend? Block shots? So unlike other stars Simmons who can give you Rich man Capela without the ball is a bonus. Its a positive you are trying to make into a negative. Tyler Herro is a liability when he isnt scoring, he cant defend he cant reb he cant block. He is literally negative on plus minus when he doesnt have the ball you might as well bench him if he isnt gonna get touches. With the ball he isnt just a poor mans Kidd cuz Kidd is not 6'10 and couldnt slash into the hoop the way Simmons can. Kidd can only be the initiator he cant be the roll man like Simmons. Like I said, nobody says Giannis is just a poor man's Kidd or Rich man'a Capela now do they? Simmons isnt as good as Giannis but they are the same type of player. Just think why isnt Giannis a poor man's Kidd but Simmons somehow is? Just cuz Giannis is more physical? Nah man that doesnt make sense.
Its going to end up being Brooklyn isnt it? I almost hope we keep him until the deadline and “contenders” in the east make a panic deal when they see how good the nets are without him
No, Brooklyn would be an absolute shocker unless they find a way to send MPJ to the Rockets. Philly or Houston for the full season is my guess. Nothing happens after tomorrow. 60% Houston 40% Philly.
