I should have known I would receive such a melodramatic hyperbole for a response. MM, for the record I am NOT against immigration, I am NOT against the "melting pot" theory of population building, I am NOT against people from other countries coming here to make a better life for themselves and contribute to the prosperity of America's populace. I AM against illegal amnesty and immigration. Did you know we had 2 million immigrants come here LEGALLY last year? Yep, America definitely has xenophobia. But see persons specifically from Mexico and Central America do not want to go through the immigration channels like everyone else trying to get here. So they take chances and then lets say perchance they get here then they have a child who as of this moment because of the "Sanctuary city" and "Anchor baby" policies now has legalized citizenship because they were born here instead of Mexico. So you see its a deft legalese maneuver to cut out the middleman and get their citizenship by omission rather than design. You can believe what you believe that is your right. I am simply telling you the perspective I am seeing on this. By the way, did you get a chance to see Bush practically giving Calderon a "blowjob" on national TV concerning "comprehensive immigration reform?" Did you see Bush talking to the Mexican populace as if they were HIS constituency? "I will do all I can to push and bring forth comprehensive immigration reform." Didn't you feel even an ounce of betrayal? I mean it seems Bush is more interested in what the Mexican citizens and their government have to say rather than OUR people and OUR government! Since 9/11, what has been done to protect OUR borders and OUR interests? The sad answer is largely nothing. The fence appropriation is a ruse and is only put in to elongate the process and hopefully discourage those who are on the side of responsible, more stringent immigration policies. Those who want stiffer penalties for companies and businesses who knowingly hire illegal immigrants and lastly, much stiffer civil and criminal penalties for known criminals who come in the US simply to ply their wares and play the "catch and release" game.
It is not PC to be pro American these days. If the Iraq war was not the utter failure it has been the immigration issue would be much larger.
To respond to your question it is because supply and demand favors greater immigration in general, whether legal or illegal. Immigration isn't a one time thing as we have a dynamic economy and as long as the economy needs more workers and there are people willing to do the work they will find a way to get over here.
The problem is that the current situation exacerbates the problem. Our present legal situation just means that there is more of an incentive to go underground than legal. If our immigration policies were reformed to actually accomodate the flow the immigrants, and yes that would be in the several millions, then the incentive for them to go underground wouldn't be there. As I've said repeatedly its like Prohibition where banning alchohal just meant that there was an incentive to go underground with it. Once it was legalized again the power of the bootleggers was severely diminished.
Judging from this Answer This Amnesty measure will *not* resolve anything. What is the benefit of it? Rocket River
What would you call Accomodation? I am interested in you solution Open the borders. . . . As long economic incentive is here . . people will come [as you state] so . . . any limit would be and Exacerbation to go underground However .. . if there is not limit. . . . Then the US ceases to be a country It would be more of a Free Market Zone Rocket River
accomodations like having all govt forms in spanish? police not being able to ask if they are illegal? having a lacking border security where you can easily walk across? etc
I am in Cali right now and there is a big discussion over what Arnold recently said. He said that they need to start turning off the Spanish tv channels and learn ENGLISH. That is somewhat related to immigration, I just though I'd post it.
i dont know if you go that far but i do like the idea. So many cater to the non english speaking that they really dont have to learn english.
[qoute] More to a Better Life Than Afterlife File this under interesting statistics: Mexico has lost more people to migration to the United States than to death since 2000, according to the country's demographics agency. An average of 577,000 people up and moved to the United States annually during the 2000-2005 period, while 495,000 people a year died in Mexico. The agency reports that about 11 million Mexicans are living, legally or not, in the United States. http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/070506/14world.htm [/quote] Can this be Accurate? Rocket River
Yes - that's exactly what I am saying. You look at the trends and our education system, and we're producing people who want to play sports, join rock bands, and find professions that were once respected to be uncool. The result is that it's harder and harder to find American kids out of college that can think insightfully. Seriously, why do you think Asian kids do so well? Because their parents value intelligence, and not whether their kid gets 3 tackles in a game or can sing and dance like Brittany.
well there certainly isnt a lack of dumb one. but i dont know if there's a "lack" (because what is the appropriate amount of smart people?) but i do feel smarter people are the minority
It's more like true education isn't valued, all that matters is learning how to make money. That's the criteria by which one is judged. Liberal Arts are now considered a joke.
I agree. Less American students sign up for the technical sciences and enroll in programs that can bank potentially more money. This leaves the burden on immigrants with educational visas to sustain our college system. Once computer science stopped being a guaranteed hot field, the admissions dropped significantly. otoh, you can't blame these people for deciding their futures.
Well, it took Arnold about 40 years, but he speaks English rather well. Finally. In all seriousness, he's a Republican I would strongly consider voting for, and he can't even run. There isn't another Republican of his stature who comes close to his brand of moderate conservatism, much less one running for President. I've always liked the guy, warts and all. D&D. Replicant Democrat.
