Why is God intelligently designing Avian Influenza viruses to jump to humans?

But 'guessing' is part of the scientific method. A hypothesis is nothing more than an educated guess which is why experimentation is important to prove or disprove that educated guess. Even then almost nothing in science is fully proven its just a matter of the degree to what its proven. This is the difference between faith and science. IN faith you know what you know with no need to prove or justify it. In science you always have to prove it.

The problem that I see often in debates like the ID / Evolution debate is that people mistake the two.

 

Mutation is a guess- it never works in experiments
Mori didn't address the question.
Why do men have nipples?

Creation vs. evolution is getting old.

I would like to get back to that Hell thread.

 

Mutation isn't a guess and has worked in experiments. There wouldn't be a field of genetic engineering if mutation didn't work in experiments.

If Avian influenza virus ends up making the jump to humans and can transfer from human to human that is an example of a fortuitous mutation, fortuitous for the virus not us, but maybe God favors the virus more than us.

 

Thanks for capitalizing 'God', I feel the same way.
Good debate, thanks.

 

Honestly Rhester I don't think I consciously considered capitalizing "God".

 

I guess we'll just take our toys and go home? Also, science doesn't answer 'why?'

 

I don't think I'd consider hermaphroditic / intersexed animals a third sex. These things occur in humans, too, but often cause infertility. In humans, chromosomes aren't a perfect indicator of sex (i.e. AIS) and there are more than just the two combinations (XO, XXY XYY, etc). Also, IIRC humans are less sexually dimorphic than many other species.

 

Yes, I did. You just didn't like the answer.

Men have nipples because human fetuses develeop the same at the beginning and later become differentiated. The nipples don't magically disappear due to testosterone.

 

You will all burn in hell!

Momma said questions are the debil.

 

It's not that I don't enjoy the debate, it's just that I am not a scientist and at best I have to go post points from Creation Science sites.

That is not as fun.

I have stated often that my belief in creation is based upon the Bible.

I don't have a problem with science, I just believe evolution has problems in the theory that are inadequately explained, and I believe that evolution is given too firm a foundation in consideration of the problems in the evidence, the difficulty in observing origins and the bias I see in conclusions from scientific testing.

I don't try and prove creation.
I attempt to bring up questions in the theory of evolution that are not easily resolved by thorough observation and validation without a prior bias.

Gender evolution is one such issue. The need for gender, the history of mutation being successful in the development of species, and the function and purpose of human parts has long been out there and substantial proof of evolutions role in each of these is missing.

For Every Structure There Is a Reason . . . . (#200311)
by Frank Sherwin, M.S.
Abstract
The appendix is a finger-sized tube that attaches to the cecum (blind pouch) in our gastrointestinal tract. A disorder is appendicitis, a rapid inflammation of this structure.
If you're a baby boomer (or earlier) you've no doubt been presented in high school and college the story of the alleged lack of function of our appendix. Instructors called it — and continue to call it — "degenerate" or "rudimentary" — a nonfunctional vestige of evolution that modern man no longer needs.
The appendix is a finger-sized tube that attaches to the cecum (blind pouch) in our gastrointestinal tract. A disorder is appendicitis, a rapid inflammation of this structure. People who undergo abdominal surgery occasionally have their appendix removed as long as the surgeon was in that area because the patient "didn't need it." Really? How does the surgeon know that? Medical students were — and are — falsely educated in their university and medical school programs, thanks to publications such as the Atlas of Human Functional Anatomy that calls the appendix "a vestigial structure in man."1
As a zoology graduate student, I took a course in histology — the study of tissues. A course requirement was to write a paper on the ultrastructure (organization studied at the level of an electron microscope) of some tissue in the human body. I chose the appendix because, as a creationist, I did not accept the unscientific idea of vestigial structures. I determined there had to be a function for the appendix, a scientific prediction of the creation model that further research would either prove or disprove. Unfortunately, my professor dismissed my plans. This is just one more example of how evolutionism is anti-science. He and other secular biologists have regarded the appendix as not worth researching, and investigation of this lymphatic tissue languished as a result.
Recently, evolutionary activists are strangely silent regarding their insistence of the non-function of the appendix. There could be several reasons for this, but perhaps the best is that scientific research has indeed revealed an important function.
The Grolier Encyclopedia admitted, "Long regarded as a vestigial organ with no function in the human body, the appendix is now thought to be one of the sites where immune responses are initiated."2 Authors Van De Graff and Fox state, "The appendix contains masses of lymphoid tissue that may serve to resist infection."3 Kenneth Saladin states, "The appendix is densely populated with lymphocytes [a type of white blood cell] and is a significant source of immune cells."4 Anatomist Fred Martini describes the appendix as saying, "The mucosa and submucosa of the appendix are dominated by lymphoid nodules, and the appendix's primary function is as an organ of the lymphatic system."5
Vestigial structure indeed. Lymphatic tissue is important! God is not the Author of confusion, and He does not riddle the body with useless tissues or organs. Every tissue in our body has a purpose — designed by our all-wise Creator.
_____________________________
1. Zuidema, G., Johns Hopkins Atlas of Human Functional Anatomy, 1980, p. 86.
2. Hartenstein, Roy, Grolier Encyclopedia, 2002, Grolier Interactive Inc.
3. Van De Graff & Fox, Concepts of Human Anatomy & Physiology, 1999, p. 837.
4. Saladin, K., Anatomy & Physiology, McGraw Hill, 2001, p. 974.
5. Martini, F., Fundamentals of Anatomy & Physiology, Prentice Hall, 1998, p. 899.

 

Mr. Question Mark gets no love.

 

It amazes me that Inteligent Design Angsts Evolutionist

as will all designs things go in wave
by the standard of the modern computer
some of the earlier models. . . when stupid
Evolutionist seem to beleive the ID folx beleive in an ABRA CADABRA moment
where BOOM man was there
when in actuallity . . . IMO Evolution is merely the mechanism
used to create the end product. . . . . .
think of the process of creating anything
u get an idea. . . u make a prototype
then you tweak it until u get what you want

Esp when u consider something that is increasing it's efficiency
within itself . .i.e. a machine that reproduces it self
using itself as a base. . . it would start there
while it may find this or that inefficient or useless. ..
It would not be totally removed in the next evolution
because it may have a use that was not intuitively or obviously apparent
once it is shown that it can go on without it
then
it will be removed for good. . that may take several generations
[iterations]

Rocket River

 

Strangely silent indeed: Vestigiality of the Human Appendix

 

A. Man is smarter than God.
B. God doesn't exist.
C. God authored evolution.
D. God created the world and everything in it.

I believe 'D' which means I side with all who guess that way.

 

D does not exclude C.

 

Does belief in the Christian God preclude evolution? Why you think it does? Why do some Christians find no conflict in their Christian beliefs and their acceptance of evolution as a valid theory?

 

ok i get it. the christian people on this board are stupid. is that the point of this thread?

 

Not at all. Only soneone stupid would think that.

 

hey, who are you calling stupid?

 

I can speak for myself. I have posted before that the words of Jesus carry alot of weight in my own faith. When Jesus stated, "from the beginning God created them male and female" that put a new light on things for me.

In Genesis chapter one it lists 6 days of creation and they are qualified as literal days by the wording- 'the evening and the morning'

There are other Bible verses that speak of creation.

When you take it as a whole and you believe in the Bible the way I do, you have to make a choice. I choose to believe the Bible as accurate. I don't expect that to be a defense of creationism. I hold it as my own belief.

I am confident that God created the world and everything in it in 6 literal days.

If science were to prove otherwise I would just have a more difficult choice. I just don't think that evolutionary science has provided an absolute convincing answer to the origin of the earth and man.

I am not actually opposed to the theory of evolution. I believe it to be faulted. I think it is granted impunity undeserved and it is not the only answer to origins. So I debate on the side of my faith and intellectually I err to the side of anti-macro evolution.