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Why Is Allen Iverson Considered To Be so Great? He was a chucker..

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by eddiewinslow, Aug 22, 2013.

  1. SamFisher

    SamFisher Member

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    Yes, in the all time sense.

    4 other human beings in the history of planet earth, in the sol system, milky way galaxy have won as many or more scoring titles as Iverson.

    This renders him into a "good offensive player" in the all time sense.
     
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  2. eddiewinslow

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    wow he had all those scoring titles....he took more shots than anyone.....as i mentioned durant sat out the last game bc the scoring title didn't matter to him

    you act like the scoring title means something in terms of winning basketball. It just means you put the ball in the hoop alot and in iversons case it was bc he fired up a ton of horrible shots along with the good ones

    Iverson's best philly team went 16-12 vs the west and owned the east at a time when, as mentioned above, our horrible team of francis and mobley went 25-5......hardly meaning iverson dominated an awesome conference.

    Going 16-12 vs the west with teams like the rockets,clippers,sonics,nuggets, and grizzlies....all who were terrible then is a sign that he wasn't quite the leader of the best squad on earth and that the east was just garbage.
     
  3. sealclubber1016

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    Allen Iverson certainly the most overrated star in recent years.

    People say he had to shoot, which is true only because no other good scorer could play with him. He was a dribbler who passed as a last resort. All of his 76er teams were bad offensively and won games in a pathetic eastern conference. Michael Jordan, the GOAT, didn't take as many shots as Iverson.

    The 76ers traded him and saw no dropoff whatsoever, Iguodala picked up the slack with no problem. The Nuggets traded him and got better. Melo didn't take more shots with Iverson gone, the rest of the team did.

    In the famous practice interview, he genuinely didn't understand how he could make his team better in practice, all he cared about was how good he was. That told me all I needed to know about him as a player.
     
  4. Fefo

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    Iverson was a lot better than a lot of peopple here give him credit. He could score even if defenses where designed to stop him and he got double and triple teamed.
    Also saying that anyone one can take 25 shoots and average 30 ppg is pretty ignorant. Its not easy to get to the line as much as he did, and also its not easy to get so many looks at the rim. He shoot a lot of bad ones, but he created alll those shoots, coz nobody on that team could help him do it. Give the ball to danny green and ask him to shoot 25 times a game, he just wont be able to do it, you have to be able to create and at a very good rate, because his teammates where as bad on offense as it get.
     
  5. Sanity2disChaos

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    Iversons first true robin (to batman) was iggy.....nuff said.
     
  6. eddiewinslow

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    and iggy didn't like him....refer to the link i posted earlier in this thread, iggy was talking trash about ai to spencer hawes once AI left....nuff said...nobody liked him
     
  7. Sanity2disChaos

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    Are you serious:confused::rolleyes: this game is and always will be about buckets...fancy paints feelings get tossed to the side....its time to man up.
     
  8. rinklob

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    No it doesn't. Scoring titles mean very little in an all-time sense. The scoring leader for a given year is often not even the best scorer in that year, let alone the best overall offensive player. There was no year in which Iverson was a top 5 offensive player in the NBA, and no year in which he was the best scorer.
     
  9. Shaud

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    As a rookie Allen Iverson scored 40 or more pts in 4 consecutive games.

    To say that Allen Iverson never was a top 5 scoring in any season is foolish.

    He also had 4 seasons where he averaged over 30 points a game.
     
  10. Sanity2disChaos

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    Whaaaat...so Durant is not a scorer , or overall offensive player?you speak not the truth.
     
  11. eddiewinslow

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    shaud you're being pretty ignorant too if you're missing what we're all saying. Total points doesn't matter when you're leading the league in shots too.

    Kevin Durant just led the league in scoring with 17 shots a game, Lebron just averaged 27 points on 17 shots....AI was doing it on 25+ shots a night.

    Durant hit 90% at the line,AI is 78% for his career

    Allen Iverson was a volume scorer, it's really not that big a deal. Look what nate robinson did in these past playoffs. Sure he didn't do it for 82 games but he did it in the playoffs when it mattered most....when given the volume and green light like AI

    Iverson is clearly talented, he was #1 overall pick, had immense quickness but he was a terrible shooter and shot way way way more than he ever should of and his attitude cost him bc nobody wanted to play with him.

    Think about Steve Nash was playing with Joe Johnson,Amare,Quentin Richardson and Marion and they all averaged over 15 points per game. How many times in Iversons career did he have even 1 other teammate average 15 in philly? He just didn't make anyone better, he was a chucker and fortunately philly played in the east when it was weak.....so weak that a cuttino mobley,steve francis,mo taylor and kelvin cato led houston rockets squad went 25-5 against that same east
     
  12. Shaud

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    Out of the years he averaged 30 points a game name 5 players better than Iverson offensively
     
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    Again nuff said.
     
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    That's cool and all, but anecdotal. He was a good offensive player and all, but doesn't deserve to be compared to the actual all-time elites like Nash. And I didn't say he was never a top 5 scoring threat in a season; he was. He was never a top 5 overall offensive player.

    I said that scoring titles don't make you an all-time elite offensive player, not that scoring titles preclude you from having all-time offensive impact. In fact it increases your chance of being such a player. Just in this instance, it's not true for AI. Durant is undoubtedly an all-time elite offensive player for his ridiculous efficiency on so many points as a leading scorer, his amazingly great off-ball play, and his developing playmaking talents.

    2000-01: Shaq, Kobe, Vince Carter were better. You could make arguments for C-Webb, Duncan, KG, etc. but it's at least arguable that AI was top 5 so I'll give you that.
    2001-02: Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, T-Mac, C-Webb
    2004-05: Shaq, KG, Duncan, Nash, LeBron
    2005-06: Wade, Kobe, Nash, LeBron, KG
    2006-07: Nash, Kobe, LeBron, Duncan, Wade

    I could list more for every single year except for 2005-06.
     
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    Durant sat out the last game because he was too much of a puss to go for it. Same with Kobe the year before.
     
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    He had Stackhouse and Derrick Coleman :)rolleyes:). Webber, Kukoc, Van Horn... Damn, has Philly sucked at management.

    Hopefully Hinkie can be good, it's time for that franchise to turn it around.

    It's a shame that Iverson didn't get traded to Detroit in 2000, btw. They'd have young Iverson and Ben Wallace, they'd probably still eventually get Chauncey, who's an awesome pairing next to Iverson defensively.
    We wouldn't have the 2001. But long term it likely would've been a great thing.
     
  17. eddiewinslow

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    Shaud isn't getting it

    bro, Ray Allen was light years more efficient in all those years, but Ray never needed to take 25 shots to get his team a W, so he didn't.

    Ray Allen had a higher FG%,3 pt %, FT% and put the ball in the bucket at a way higher clip.

    As mentioned there were tons more from vince carter to duncan to yao to shaq to kobe and all of them were efficient

    Give Yao Ming 25 shots a night and see what happens. He hit over 50% from the field and 85% at the line, Yao put up 25 on 17 shots once

    Iverson was a quick little man but as mentioned the best defense on AI was just letting him shoot bc he was mediocre at best as a shooter and in today's zone defense age he would probably be a terrible player.
     
  18. SamFisher

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    Go for the gold eddie eagle
     
  19. Aleron

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    nobody likes kobe either, doesn't really take away the career achievements.
     
  20. Aleron

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    Let's be serious here, only Laker homers viewed Kobe as better before about 2003-4 (2002-3 was the first year of their careers he was better than Iverson, they were both in their 7th year that year).
     
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