Why Indiana's changing situation can solve our problems

3 way madness...

Rox get Granger, Foster and Landry
- Rox get their quasi-star, a GOOD defensive center(expiring contract) and their PF back.(expiring Contract)

Pacers get Martin, Scola and the Rockets 2011 2nd rd pick
- Pacers get two GOOD starters to even out their lineup and a HIGH 2nd rd pick.

Kings get Brooks
- They get their PGuard and get rid of a headache that Landry has developed into.

Lowry/Ish
Lee/T-Will
Granger/Battier
Landry/PPat
Hayes/Foster

The Rockets could now become interchangeable with Foster, Hayes and PPat along with a 4th qtr scorer in Landry. Foster and Hayes could hide Landry's defensive and rebounding issues. Also note, we would still have our pick next and young players to move in another trade along with savings around 6 million in salary next year.

 

i like that trade, the only problem is that we wont get to the line as much. Granger doesnt get to the line, Landry doesn't get to it much either.
If the style that Morey values is high % shots getting to the line is important. I also dont think houston would trade Scola if it wasnt returning someone that is better than him.

 

that would turn us into a 30 game winning team...we need a center and for Hayes to goto his natural position of PF...can't see us giving up both Scola and Martin.. maybe one but not both..

 

Budinger and Scola for Granger might be something to consider. Free up time for Patterson.

 

Foster is your center, only reason he isn't starting is because Adelman LOVES Hayes, and he should. Foster per 36 minutes averages 13 RPG with 2 blocks per game, Foster and Hayes would be a HELL of a defensive front court for short stretches.

What is better Martin/Lee and Battier/Bud or Lee/T-Will and Granger/Battier? My only concern is switching out Landry for Scola but I counter my concern with the fact we MIGHT have close to MAX money available next offseason and the following while keeping our picks.

30 win team as opposed to....36 win team with minimal cap room?

 

The rules actually regulate that they must have a 1st rounder every other year. You cannot go consecutive years without a 1st round pick.

So technically speaking, we have a 2011 and a 2012 first rounder right now making the 2012 or 2011 pick available.

 

Clutch is dropping hints about Hibbert like he did about K-Mart around this time a year ago, hrmmm...

The only reason they would give up Hibbert is for financial relief elsewhere, and that only leaves Granger and Posey.

If they gave up Granger and Hibbert, it would devastate their fan base.

 

Help me out. Clutch is dropping hints? I know the threads got merged but are you referring to a different thread altogether?

 

http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=5911691&postcount=382

Go about half way down and you'll see the hint.

 

Thanks, I missed that one.

Very interesting. Given the status of Indiana's payroll (Granger, Posey, Jones and a bunch of rookie contracts), I'd be shocked if Indiana gave up on Hibbert at this point. Especially with Jim O'Brien's future in limbo. If their goal is to move Granger in a salary dump, dealing a player (at center, no less) on a low-risk rookie contract seems unnecessary.

 

I'll give most of the team for Granger and Hibbert

Hibbert is underrated

 

There is no way that Indiana will give up Hibbert.


He is Indiana.

 

I agree.......some people dream too big(clutchfans)!!

 

Not exactly. The actual rule says that you can't have two FUTURE drafts without a first round pick.

A team could trade their '11 first round pick (assuming that they have an '12 first rounder) and then as soon as the draft is over they are then free to trade their '12 pick (assuming that they have an '13 pick). So, realistically you could trade your 1st rounder every season if you liked, you just can't have two future years with no first rounders.

I don't know if that explanation made sense but the main point is that the rule only applies to FUTURE drafts. What happened in past drafts has no effect on your ability to trade future picks.

The Rockets traded their own '12 first rounder for T-Will. They still retain the Knicks '12 first rounder but it has lottery protections on it so they are not guarenteed to have a '12 first rounder. That means that right now they can't trade their own '11 first round pick nor can they trade their own '13 pick.
Clutch wrote an article a while back about this very thing.

EDIT: Here's Larry Coon explanation of the Ted Stepien rule. Coon does a much better job of explaining it then I did.

Teams are restricted from trading away future first round draft picks in consecutive years. This is known as the "Ted Stepien Rule." Stepien owned the Cavs from 1980-83, and made a series of bad trades (such as the above-mentioned 1982 trade) that cost the Cavs several years' first round picks. As a result of Stepien's ineptitude, teams are now prevented from making trades which might leave them without a first round pick in consecutive future years.

The Stepien rule applies only to future first round picks. For example, if this is the 2005-06 season, then a team can trade its 2006 first round pick without regard to whether they had traded their 2005 pick, since their 2005 pick is no longer a future pick. But they can't trade away both their 2006 and 2007 picks, since both are future picks. Teams sometimes work around this rule by trading first round picks in alternate years.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q74

 

as much as id want both hibbert and granger, i dont see them doing that unless we give up talent with high ceiling which i dont think we really have. T will, hill? ya i think they would pass. They are pretty close to playoff contention and have expirings so i think they will use that to get better, they are in need of a PF and i think landry would probably be on their radar, he went to purdue and they can def hook up the kings with expirings which we know the kings are always down for. Hibbert is just having a big slump but honestly a small slump for someone that can reak havoc at that size and luckily hasnt been injured is too pricey of a commodity to give up on. I for one dont really expect either moved.

Id rather rockets concentrate on getting thabeet/mayo and dalembert.
Those teams are stingy and always looking to unload.
Grizzlies know they arent going to re-sign randolph but are probably looking for a suitable 4 to play alongside gasol. And i think Courtney lee could fit the bill along with hill and patt for that trade. one can only deam

 

Honestly, i wouldn't want anyone from Memphis. Even Randolph to me seems like a person that wouldn't get us into the playoffs. i've followed him a bit and he often doesnt stick with the game plan. Mayo and Thabeet arent exactly that great. Thabeet isnt developing as people have hoped for and Mayo's drama makes him a turn off for me.

I dont want Dalembert also, he's got the length but I don't feel his Bball IQ is there.


there are a few players that I wouldn't mind trying to get. (all posible to get)
Granger, Batum, Hibbert, Oden, Nene, G. Wallace, Kaman

 

wow i just found out OJ mayo got suspended 10 days for DHEA, supposedly he got it from GNC lol. ya so i guess hes out of the running, doesnt seem like a character guy and i also hear the clippers are wanting him for bledsoe, aminu and kaman.

the only thing i dont like about kaman is hes a yao lite, and that mold of a player will always be injured. Nene is a manchild id def go for him but Oden, the man is softer than charmin. Is randolph really that bad? i wouldnt want him on the team because i know he'd want a mad extension and its not smart to tie up assets especially with the new CBA coming soon.

 

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The Indiana Pacers have fired coach Jim O'Brien, a league source tells Y! Sports.

 

Ya just what we need another wing player that doesnt play denfense .. The only good solution is Igoudala a 3 who can defend and create for others ..

OR

What tell the summer and draft Perry Jones or Terrence Jones