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why in the hell was rafer put back in?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by thacabbage, Dec 26, 2008.

  1. A_3PO

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    Please turn your sarcasm meter on. You are worse than me.
     
  2. DaDakota

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    It is not a personal insult to call you obtuse, it is just true. You are just arguing to argue.

    It is all about expectations, you are happy with where the team is at, I am not, I have championship expectations, 55 regular season wins means squat to me.

    We are not going to agree...Rafer sucks.

    DD
     
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    Great, agree to disagree. You had one set of stats and then tried to call me obtuse when I "ignored" them (despite the fact I've referenced them several times) and this marks the third or fourth post in the row where you have completely ignored everything I said just to go back to "Rafer sucks.", now ain't that obtuse. well, whatever, I'm done with this argument, I don't like where it's headed anyways. It's clear you can't convince me and it's clear I can't convince you, so eh.
     
  4. DaDakota

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    Truth.

    DD
     
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    I just realized this thread stretched ten pages...and I must have posted something like 50 times in it. Huh. I'm usually a stubborn guy, but wow. I will say this; you guys haven't convinced me that the team, right now at least, would be better suited to replacing Rafer with Brooks as a closer but you've definitely given me a lot of food for thought about Brooks; maybe the time is sooner then I think it should be for him to take the reins from Rafer. I've always thought Brooks had the potential to be a much better player then Rafer; this thread just reinforces that.

    I respect the fact that you guys put a lot of effort into countering my arguments. I know I'm a frustrating guy to argue with; sometimes, once I get wrapped up into an argument, I just keep on pushing it forwards. That's a weakness of mine. But I really do respect the fact that everyone who replied to my arguments put some thought and effort into it.
     
  6. A_3PO

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    Fine. For the record, I'm only suggesting AB close when Rafer plays like complete trash. Also, when Rafer starts the game like complete trash, AB should be put in earlier. Thirdly, when Rafer plays like complete trash and AB is giving the team a spark, Rafer should NOT come back in the game in the 2nd quarter. Last, when Rafer remains complete trash in the 3rd quarter, pull him out midway.

    When Rafer plays decent, give him 30+ minutes. This how to maximize his contribution to the team. But when he is a millstone around the neck of the offense and AB is playing well, the minutes played (including the closing minutes of the game) should reflect that.
     
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    That's perfectly understandable. I'm more risk-averse, so I wouldn't suggest tampering with closers but I think Brooks can do fine during the rest of the game. In fact, I think this is where he should be spending more time adjusting to the starters so that he finally becomes an integrated part of their unit, so the Rockets can replace Rafer sooner then later. I'm just not comfortable with him closing games right now.
     
  8. knickstorm

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    obviously he's not getting it to yao on the right spots cause yao aint scoring.......look at all of r2k's highlight videos.......show me the last time a 2 yao buckets came from aaron brooks passes to the post.
     
  9. DaDakota

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    Why do you care if Yao is scoring, or Brooks, or Artest?

    Did you ever think that maybe with Brooks coming off the bench he is not playing a lot of minutes with Yao?

    DD
     
  10. knickstorm

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    i already told you......all wins cause yao and tmac played well......if tmac didnt play those game, brooks would've lost at least 2 of them.

    Devin Harris barely played cause of foul trouble and it was blowout anyway
    Paul may have shot poorly.....but brooks still allowed 12 assists which shows me he didnt guard him very well.......new orleans isn't gonna beat you with chris paul going for 40........what would've been impressive is if brooks managed to keep paul in front of him more to limit the # of assists he got.

    doesnt matter if tmac took the ball from brooks, doesnt change the fact that on defense george hill made him look like chris childs.

    you wanna look at the records........the rockets have won 50+ games how many years in a row with rafer at point? and with tmac and yao missing games?? now because of 4-5 game stretch against weak competition you want brooks to take over as a starter.......sometimes i wish rafer goes down for the season just to shut some people up about brooks..........
     
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    i'm talking about the stretch of games he started where he was playing 40+ minutes, even then it wasnt happening.......
     
  12. DaDakota

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    You mean the stretch where the team won all 4 games?

    That stretch?

    Yeah, who wants to win every game, if Yao isn't scoring.

    And, by the way, quit making stuff up and check your facts, he was scoring.
    In fact the team was averaging 109.5ppg with Brooks as the starter over that stretch.

    DD
     
  13. A_3PO

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    It was Yao, not AB. When Rafer came in, Yao kept right on missing. Earlier in the game, I remember AB making 2 creative entry passes to Yao that resulted in baskets. Get over that chestnut. In AB's first game as starter, he didn't feed Yao well, but that was several games ago.
     
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    Aaron was playing pretty well with all the starters when Rafer was injured. Rafer is the weak link. He would be a bench player on any other team. I think AB starting will be the difference with Rox being contenders and rox being pretenders.
     
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    This guy knows what he is talking about. It is as simple as this. Rafer is the easiest guy on the floor to defend: stay with him at the three point line.
     
  16. thacabbage

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    Was this the first time RA benched Rafer in crunch time?
     
  17. A_3PO

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    Well well, Adelman was a little less stupid tonight. If he had played the hot hand in earlier contests, the Rockets would probably have 2 more wins this season.

    Finally when AB is on his game and Rafer is his normal dismal self, AB gets more minutes and finishes the game.

    So much for Rafer being a "proven finisher".
     
  18. thacabbage

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    When the Celtics adjusted at the 3 minute mark and suddenly began fronting Yao (no doubt Thibs' work) with KG, had Adelman gone with his usual Rafer over Brooks, we would have been complete toast. The drives at the end sealed it.
     
  19. Yao4REAL

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    Yea i hated the fact they keep insisting using Rafer as the starting PG. I mean he's so inconsistent....he may have great shooting nights but MOST of the NIGHTS his numbers are always like 1/7, 2/8, 3/9, 3/11 or something like that.....i am just sick of why the coach think he's a good player?? Sure he can handle the ball, pass better and play better D, but does it make much of difference when it comes to winning game?? Seriously, if you start Brooks, he helps the Rockets more than for his lack of other skills in which Rafer maybe better.
     
  20. DaDakota

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    Agreed but leaving someone that can shoot off those drives like Wafer helps too.

    :D

    DD
     

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