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Why I would never vote for Obama

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rhester, Mar 14, 2008.

  1. rhester

    rhester Contributing Member

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    (if the information on this website is true? ;) )

    Strongly Favors topic 1:
    Abortion is a woman's right


    Voted against banning partial birth abortion:
    Stem cells hold promise to cure 70 major diseases:
    Trust women to make own decisions on partial-birth abortion:
    Extend presumption of good faith to abortion protesters:
    Pass the Stem Cell Research Bill:
    Protect a woman's right to choose:
    Supports Roe v. Wade:
    Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance:
    YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives:
    NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions:
    YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines:

    Strongly Favors topic 2:
    Require hiring more women & minorities


    Better enforce women's pay equity via Equal Pay Act:
    Racial equality good for America as a whole:
    Supports affirmative action in colleges and government:
    America's race and class problems are intertwined:
    Rated 100% by the NAACP, indicating a pro-affirmative-action stance:

    Strongly Favors topic 3:
    Same-sex domestic partnership benefits


    We need strong civil unions, not just weak civil unions:
    Opposes gay marriage; supports civil union & gay equality:
    Marriage not a human right; non-discrimination is:
    Include sexual orientation in anti-discrimination laws:
    Rated 89% by the HRC, indicating a pro-gay-rights stance:
    NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage:

    Opposes topic 4:
    Teacher-led prayer in public schools


    Listening to evangelicals bridges major political fault line:
    Religious concerns ok, if translated into universal values:
    Rated 100% by the AU, indicating support of church-state separation:
    NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration:

    Favors topic 5:
    More federal funding for health coverage


    Increase competition in the insurance and drug markets:
    National Health Insurance Exchange for private coverage:
    National insurance pool & catastrophic insurance:
    The market alone can't solve our health-care woes:
    Crises happen in our lives and healthcare is necessary:
    Believes health care is a right, not a privilege for the few:
    Will expand health coverage & allow meds to be re-imported:
    Ensure access to basic care:
    YES on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics:
    YES on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug:
    YES on expanding enrollment period for Medicare Part D:
    YES on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D:

    Strongly Opposes topic 6:
    Privatize Social Security


    Privatization puts retirement at whim of stock market:
    Stop any efforts to privatize Social Security:
    No privatization; but consider earning cap over $97,500:
    Stock market risk is ok, but not for Social Security:
    $2000 tax credit for Working Families Savings Accounts:
    NO on establishing reserve funds & pre-funding for Social Security:

    Opposes topic 7:
    Parents choose schools via vouchers


    Guarantee affordable life-long, top-notch education:
    Supports charter schools and private investment in schools:
    YES on $5B for grants to local educational agencies:

    Opposes topic 8:
    Death Penalty


    Some heinous crimes justify the ultimate punishment:
    Videotape all capital punishment interrogations:
    Battles legislatively against the death penalty:

    Opposes topic 9:
    Mandatory Three Strikes sentencing laws


    Supports alternative sentencing and rehabilitation:
    Rated 75% by the NCJA, indicating a mixed record on criminal justice:
    YES on reinstating $1.15 billion funding for the COPS Program:

    Strongly Opposes topic 10:
    Absolute right to gun ownership


    Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality:
    Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions:
    NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers:

    Strongly Favors topic 11:
    Repeal tax cuts on wealthy


    Bush tax cuts help corporations but not middle class:
    Tax cuts for the rich do not create jobs:
    Rated 100% by the CTJ, indicating support of progressive taxation:
    NO on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends:
    YES on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut:
    NO on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends:
    NO on permanently repealing the `death tax`:
    NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts:
    NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million:
    NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax:

    Favors topic 12:
    Illegal immigrants earn citizenship


    Support granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants:
    Reform must include more border security, and border wall:
    Pathway to citizenship, but people have to earn it:
    Give immigrants who are here a rigorous path to citizenship:
    Extend welfare and Medicaid to immigrants:
    Rated 8% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance:
    YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security:
    YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship:
    YES on establishing a Guest Worker program:
    YES on building a fence along the Mexican border:
    NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government:
    YES on comprehensive immigration reform:

    Opposes topic 13:
    Support & expand free trade


    Stand firm against CAFTA for labor & environmental standards: Strongly Opposes topic 13
    People don't want cheaper T-shirts if it costs their job:
    Amend NAFTA to add labor agreements:
    Fair trade should have tangible benefits for US:
    Tax incentives to create jobs at home instead of offshore:
    NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade:
    YES on free trade agreement with Oman: 3

    Strongly Favors topic 14:
    The Patriot Act harms civil liberties


    The politics of fear undermines basic civil liberties:
    America cannot sanction torture; no loopholes or exceptions:
    Close Guantanamo and restore the right of habeas corpus:
    NO on extending the PATRIOT Act's wiretap provision:
    YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act:
    YES on preserving habeus corpus for Guantanamo detainees:
    YES on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods:
    NO on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad:

    Favors topic 15:
    Expand the armed forces


    Grow size of military to maintain rotation schedules:
    Give our soldiers the best equipment and training available:
    YES on limiting soldiers' deployment to 12 months:

    Strongly Favors topic 16:
    Stricter limits on political campaign funds


    Public campaign financing with free television & radio time:
    No "bundled" money from federal-registered lobbyists:
    People know his "bundlers" because he pushed disclosure law:
    First bill ever passed was campaign finance reform:
    Lobbyist influence comes from access, not money:
    YES on establishing the Senate Office of Public Integrity:
    NO on allowing some lobbyist gifts to Congress:

    Favors topic 17:
    US out of Iraq


    US policy should promote democracy and human rights:
    War in Iraq is "dumb" but troops still need equipment:
    We are playing to Osama's plan for winning a war from a cave:
    NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007:
    YES on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008:

    Strongly Favors topic 18:
    Replace coal & oil with alternatives


    3-way win: economy, environment, & stop funding terror:
    Sponsored legislations that improve energy efficiency:
    20% renewable energy by 2020:
    Invest in alternative energy sources:
    Increase CAFE to 40 mpg:
    Renewable Fuels Standard: require ethanol in fuel supply:
    Rated 100% by the CAF, indicating support for energy independence:
    YES on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%):
    YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR:
    YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge:
    YES on factoring global warming into federal project planning:
    YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies:

    No opinion on topic 19:
    Drug use is immoral: enforce laws against it


    2001: questions harsh penalties for drug dealing:
    Smokes cigarettes now; smoked some pot in high school:
    Admitted mar1juana use in high school & college:
    Deal with street-level drug dealing as minimum-wage affair:

    Favors topic 20:
    Allow churches to provide welfare services


    Reach out to faith community;faith has role in public square:
    Engages people of faith on all aspects of his public service:
    Black churches minister to social needs out of necessity:


    Barack Obama is a Hard-Core Liberal.

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    Although I would agree with him on principle on some of his stands, I would never vote for a politician who speaks both ways on an issue and is a globalist, promotes socialism and does not have a clear answer to government debt/spending; supports the Patriot Act/ Homeland Security and increases centralized federal powers and is supportive of abortion on demand.
     
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    Supports the Patriot Act?
     
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    I'd say I agree with Obama on about 90% of those issues.
     
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    True, some of those aren't exactly accurate reflections on his stances on his positions. The funny thing is that they say he supports it because he did vote to reauthorize it, but only after it added some measures to better protect civil liberties.
     
  5. rhadamanthus

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    Likewise. Not a fan of partial birth abortion. Not a fan of more affirmitive action.

    What does this mean?

    "No privatization; but consider earning cap over $97,500:"
     
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    Right. I agree that I don't like partial birth abortion at all. Though again they misrepresent his statement by saying he is in favor of it.
     
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    I read about this, and I hate it. That is a terrible idea. You don't need more taxes, dimwit - LOWER THE SPENDING!!!!
     
  8. deepblue

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    This guy is a liberal masquerading as a centrist, what did you expect. The more you read up, the more you see he is pretty far left on most positions.

    He WILL raise taxes.
     
  9. rhester

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    Personally I like stances he is taking, like protecting civil liberties. But I am so disappointed in politics in general and how voting record in the long run trumps speeches and rhetoric.

    I do not support any politician who voted for the Patriot Act/Homeland Security and is pro-abortion and wants to borrow more money and is a globalist/socialist in philosophy.

    These issues pretty much isolate me politically; I am left with few choices if any as a voter.

    I think Obama is likeable but he is not the change agent I could vote for.
     
  10. FranchiseBlade

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    He isn't masquerading as anything. His plans are pretty clear.

    The best way to lower spending, and eliminate govt. waste is to pay down our national debt. The interest rate on that is nearly 15% of the budget, and the people zero services off of that. Drop that interest rate down, and govt. spending can be reduced easily, and without cutting off services.

    to ask to cut 1 billion here, and 1 billion there from spending programs is really just nickel and dime stuff compared to the huge percentage of our budget that pays for nothing but interest on the debt.
     
  11. Ubiquitin

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    /facepalm

    It's very unlikely a Democrat ever would raise taxes during a recession. Unlike Republicans are forced to say they believe the markets are efficient, Democrats are not bound by this. The US has been running deficits since the Great Depression to retain full employment.

    Barack Obama is 'liberal'. McCain is 'conservative'. I do not see what the problem is. If you hate liberals so much, why not vote for the Constitutional Party?
     
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    The last two issues put you on a small island away from both major parties. Neither party will give a clear answer on government debt and spending because it isn't in their interest to do so.
     
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    What bothers me the most about voting for Obama is wondering how much of Jeremiah Wright for more than 20 years. How much of that hate has he absorbed? Why didn't he distance himself from that idiot years ago -- even before Wright performed the Obamas' wedding ceremony?
     
  14. rhadamanthus

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    It's not about taxes/no-taxes anymore. Both parties have a fundamentally flawed approach to dealing with our craptacular budget.

    Republicans (ever since Reagan anyhow) cut taxes in a perverse keynesian attempt to control spending. But at the same time they vote to approve funding at levels that make so-called "liberal" policies look like misers in comparison. Cutting income while raising expenses as a plan to improve the economy is just plain idiocy. Sure the short term might look good (not assured, by any stretch), but the long term impacts are nasty.

    Democrats like to raise taxes to momentarily pay for this fiscal insanity. The problem here is that taxes suck, and these programs are just plain unnecessary, excessive, and habitually underplanned. Moreover, since the republicans can take back over at any time, these programs become massive fiscal sinkholes as taxes are lowered.

    Bring back real fiscal conservatives already.
     
  15. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    look, jeremiah wright needs to tone it down, but the "how much influence does he have on obama" argument is ridiculous. obama is obama, jeremiah is jeremiah. jeremiah is not racist, and even if he was obama has done nothing racist as his time in government. he's said nothing racist in his time in government. I personally have never thought about a politician's church. if the politician has some whacked out religious views I would question that.
     
  16. deepblue

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    His plan/record is pretty clear, clearly very far left. Yet he talks about working with both sides.

    The best way to pay down our national debt is what? raise taxes? Plus he is not talking cutting a billion here and a billion there, he is planning on big government programs would cost multi-multi billion dollars. Paying off debt won't happen under his plan.
     
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    when was the last time a president paid down debt and what did he do with taxes?
     
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    I am not arguing the point ... I am wondering. I am a moderate Republican and am currently planning to vote for Obama because the alternatives are too much grounded in the past. However, remember that the bulk of voters in America are not like those on this board ... and Obama's lack of judgment in associating himself with Wright for more than 20 years has to make them (like me) wonder.
     
  19. FranchiseBlade

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    Obama not only talks about working with both sides. He has a record in the senate that proves he backs up those words with actions.

    Raising taxes, eliminating waste, and new programs that will serve as an investment or to cut waste from other areas(especially Iraq) are the best way to pay down the debt.
     
  20. pgabriel

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    "lack of judgement"?

    I agree that this has come back to haunt him in the campaign and definitely would against mccain, but this is his personal faith. I don't what he gets personally from jeremiah but given the life obama has led so far, not his preacher's, I have nothing to question his judgement on.
     

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