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Why Homosexuals are Born Homosexual...Islamic Cleric explains

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by IzakDavid13, Oct 22, 2012.

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  1. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Indeed I speak french, farsi and arabic.

    The translation is accurate. I'm not sure why anyone is surprised though?

    I think a lot of times Christians place more emphasis on this because they have a more hierarchal structure in Christianity. Muslims don't have a central pope (or equivalent), library, bank, city. They have a central place of pilgrimmage - the Kaaba (not Mecca). This guy is essentially a nobody except to his own followers.

    Anyone can become a cleric, there is no intelligence or decency required. It's just a matter of memorizing X number of texts and receiving an approval from any other cleric.

    Nothing stops IzakDavid from becoming an Islamic cleric within 1 or 2 years, as long as he memorizes those texts and nods in approval to any cleric. Then you receive your approval letter from that cleric, and no one can take it away from you so you get to say anything.

    In the case of this guy, a quick google search showed that his Kuwaiti citizenship was revoked and he subsequently fleed to England for criticizing Muhammad's companions and wives. He celebrates the death of some of them according to internet results. The supreme leader of Iran issued a fatwa against insulting Muhammad's wives and companions to calm tensions between sunnis and shias after this guy's remarks.

    This guy's branch of Islam (Muslim >> Shia >> Twelver) loosely covers about 10% or 150 million Muslims (assuming a toal of 1.5bn Muslims). Within that brench there will be tens of thousands of clerics. Of those 150m Muslims, some will accept this guy as their cleric. It's really very minute. Non-shias (typically 85-90% of Muslims) would not even recognize him as a cleric of Islam.

    It is common to hear not only clerics but regular members of sunni/shia insulting various members of Muhammad's "crew". A significant minority of each completely reject the legitimacy of the other group's Islam.

    We have shia Muslims on the board and they can can probably give more accurate insight than random web results if they care to.
     
  2. sammy

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    First of all, don't BS. I don't see the correlation to Mormonism.

    Secondly, who the first Caliphs were is largely debateable and is the reason that the split happened in the first place. Nobody is going to change anyone's minds on who the right heirs were after the Prophet's death. Also, the oppresion that has been put on the Prophet's family after his death and Shias in general for centuries is as atrocious as it gets. Mass murders. Rape. All of the above. They say that besides Jews, Shias are the most oppresed people of all-time.

    This is why I have a bad taste for any religion. The messages may or may not be right but their followers sure did find ways to **** it all up.

    Edit: This is isn't served as an attack on Sunni's or their beliefs. I just cringed when I saw the ignorant comments posted by PointForward (of course he's an Aggie) and Jontro. Mathloom's post is spot on. You can believe what you want about the Caliphs and Aisha but to air them out publicily in bad taste is something that is frowned upon. As a general rule, anything that promotes disunity has been condemned.
     
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