is this the ever popular begging for the 10 or 11 man rotation?! giving a player a short amount of time like some suggest, can actually hurt the team more than help. rockets are freaking 6-1, playing a solid 9 man rotation and people still complain and grasp at straws by saying things like "play brooks", etc... Hmmm...maybe it wasnt JVG that people really didnt like. i guess some people always look at that last man on the bench and think "he" is the one can play like an allstar and change everything around..
It's early in the season and Brooks and Francis will get their minutes when they earn it. It's not like RA is known for being stubborn with his rotation. How you guys with no inside information can speculate wildly about what goes on behind the scenes is beyond me. Francis isn't getting minutes because he's simply not good enough right now. If Francis was good enough he'd get minutes. Do you really think Adelman would want to sabotage his own coaching record or this team by not playing a player who could help us be a better team? I mean honestly think stuff through.
u mean 2006 and btw we blew dallas out by thirty that game, thats the only reason. Call me crazy but this thread has no validity . i agree with the person who says this is a francis thread disguised 6 and 1. complain about something else.
This thread is not asking for the 12 or 13 man rotation, it is saying that you can decrase the mins for those guards who are not very useful on the floor or replace them with others, of couse we do not if Francis or others are better, but Head shoots 11% at three. Last game we won because Yao and Tmac were playing so well, so one of them is going to be off one night, then team is going to have a problem.
We are winning inspite of Rafer and Mike James. I cannot believe that Rafer actually thought that jack up 3 was a good shot at the end of the game. He does that a lot....shooting 3's with plenty of time on the shot clock. The guy is trying to break his own negative record this season. 30 % from the field and 24 % from the 3 pt line is simply terrible. And Mike James has only been slightly better. Something needs to be done. Yes, we are 6-1 which I love but I'm sick of playing 4 on 6.
Our guard play has been horrid over the last couple of games but an established coach like RA isn't going to change up his rotation because a couple of bad shooting nights. I get that some might like to see more players off the bench but we haven't been blowing out teams, most of our games have been close and a change might have blown a few of our wins, no established coach will try that.
we don't have a good shot at winning these tough games if Rafer and James continue to suck... one thing is for sure, Rafer still won't be a accurate shooter come playoff time
solid, I completely agree with you on your original point. unfortunately, most people negatively responding to your thread are typical bandwagon fans that are blinded by wins. that's right, all they care about is "hey, we are 6-1, we own the NBA!!!! WOOT attaboy Rafer Alston Lolz lolz keep shootin' we winnin'!". the same thing happened last year. The same people were having orgasms on our record and ranking and were absolutely annoyed by what they call the "constant b****ing" for a change when we are winning. well, guess what happened? we go to the playoffs, BOOM, another 1st rounding whopping on the hands of an average Jazz team that we could've beaten easily had we utilized all of our weapons and listened to the "b****ing" that annoyed all these bandwagoners. But right now, the situation is different, we are really successful right now, and I like what Adelman is doing (as opposed to JVG's stubbornness and stupidity). BUT, I still thing we can improve a whole lot if we utilized some "scrubs" as some would refer to them.. I am really happy that we are winning, but we are actually exerting waay too much effort in a game that should be an easy win (e.g: bobcats) by letting Alston continue his beautiful moves and bricks. actually, I think we got extremely lucky last night. think about it, Alston chunked that three and bricked it. Had Yao NOT got the rebound, Bobcats rebound, 1 point lead, 20 secs, game over! I mean, why did Alston even attempt that shot??? last time I checked he was no Ray Allen or Kyle Korver. But still, he was determined to chunk one up from 30 feet with 10 secs left hoping that it goes in. with James not playing particularly well, I think we should really use our "scrubs" for limited time just to see how it will work out. it's not like they are gonna suck more than Alston. I am thinking let Brooks come in for a couple of plays see if he creates a matchup problem with his quickness. they start posting him up, great, put Snyder in and move Mac to the 1. play Francis a little so he can get back in shape and get his game going. I think this does two things: it helps Adelman understand the team better come playoffs time, AND, most importantly, it keeps our key players fresh for the playoffs, where it really counts. I mean, the bobcats game should've been over at halftime! we should have seen Brooks and Landry shooting midcourt 3's in garbage time in the 2nd half. there's no need to depend on Yao and Mac that much in a game against a mediocre at best team. but thanks to Rafer Alston, it's possible..
I agree entirely, the two on five model is what brought our stars to utter exhaustion in Utah. The whole idea of the off-season was to upgrade the supporting cast. I believe that was accomplished, but, strangely, our rotation is near identical. I think we need more weapons at given times, and they are sitting on the bench. Thanks
The rotation is not nearly identical. Bonzi is now getting significant minutes, Scola is getting minutes in place of Howard/Mutombo, and Mike James is getting minutes in place of Rafer. You want to see Landry/Deke/Francis play. So, when do you figure out to do that? If Rafer misses two shots in a row, take him out and put in James? If James does the same thing, take him out and put in Francis? If Francis does the same thing, take him out and put in Brooks? If Brooks does the same thing, take him out and resign Spanoulis? What if TMac misses a few shots...at what point does he sit on the bench in favor of Kirk Snyder? It's a silly idea. No coach creates a team structure that punishes players if they're having an off night. It creates an environment where the players are afraid to screw up, and don't execute as well because of it. What we'll see is if Rafer, James, and/or Head continue to underperform or knock on wood, get hurt, Francis or Brooks will take one of their spots in the rotation. That's why you have reserves -- to protect against underperformance and injury.
I suppose the Sacramento fans were right when they said that R. Adelman uses a short rotation and that we would not be happy about it. People were somehow denying it at first and saying that Adelman would use his bench.... oops.
I think a ditto is in order for this reply as well! You missed the point. Not experimenting when you have such a deep bench could be detrimental when the playoffs roll around. So if Rafer or whoever you think the crybaby would be get their feelings hurt when pulled from the game for having a bad game (or a bad season to date) to try to insert a different combination to improve play, then too bad.
Question: would this thread about the rights of the "bench" have been made if Franchise wasn't one of those players sitting on it?
This thread is misguided. (1) It's far too premature to decide that any particular player's performance is so poor that it's time to replace that player. (2) Subbing in Francis/Brooks when Rafer/James is having a poor night isn't a good coaching decision. I see almost no benefit from going out of the rotation to correct a cold streak. It would be disruptive. Especially since we've been competitive in every game so far. You do things like this in blowouts either way. If Rafer is still sucking in 15-20 games, it might be worthwhile to revisit this topic.
The starting lineup is the same. That's close to identical. The second team rotational players are Wells, Head, Scola, and James. Only Scola and James were not here last year. Mutombo has also played, and he was here. I think this qualifies as "nearly identical." Geez. The quote above is my essential point in the thread....key:underperformance.
