Why don't Rockets players trust the Rockets organization?

I think if we would have traded these guys we wouldnt be talking about them. Exactly. Their fits and lower value after we held onto them too long.

 

I fail to see how anyone in fact could dispute how Morey has totally Fked up our value on numerous occasions now with regard to his timing. His handling of most of our teams players in regard to those windows we could have had the most from players we knew eventually these are the outcomes they ultimately got to. Like Tmac, Yao, and now Brooks in trade value. Soon to be Battier and when Scola starts to decline? Scola too. A veteran in his 30s on a team rebuilding or getting younger. Alot of those. Of course you just keep chugging along with excuses like nobody wants them and Morey cant get much because he isnt good at getting much. We will see where that gets that cult Morey fanboy base. If it doenst work. That guy isnt gonna be employed here much longer anyways. I hope some of you are right like you keep telling us over all of these things one after another after another of being consistantly wrong. With Tmac, with Yao, with Brooks, with Battier soon, over when to play the younger guys sooner, with Budinger who is playing well again, with Amare Stoudemire, with about everything. When you guys are right consistantly towing these lines? Maybe Some of us wont be so skeptical??? Just maybe? Just once..

 

People forget that before landry got his contract from the rockets, the rockets decided to release information about his knee and their concerns about it. Some people suggested that it was to lower his value so the rockets could sign/match a cheaper contract.

If people can suggest tmac announced his surgery to block a trade, I don't see how it can't be plausible that an organization can have the same mentality.

This is your basic employer vs employee conflict. I work hard for my money, I tend to side with the employee and get upset when something is unfair

 

the fundamental problem, good point.

I thought the landry thing was a bit classless, but I do admit to strong favoritism when it came to him, all of which i think is justified.


We've always hated barkley for bagging on the rockets but only till recently did we find out its because he was screwed out by the rockets.

So in regards to the big time players not trusting the rockets org, i think thats not a question anymore. If barkley comes out and says he was screwed out of money, + all the recent drama, its pretty hard to overlook if your anybody and make no mistake about the agents of players. They are shrude bastards that are going to make morey look stupid.

 

So your examples are Yao and TMac? Morey's dealing with these guys are pretty rational as far as I can tell.

These are two really good players with significant injury risks making a ton of money. Before the risks manifested themselves, there was no reason to trade these guys. Once the injury risks appeared, you have a choice of holding on to them or selling them off for some 2nd/3rd tier player. Nobody is gonna pay full price for a guy without discounting for the probability of injuries, especially when he's making max dollars.

Holding on to the guy and gambling on his health is the rational thing to do, really. Yeah, you risk getting 0 for the guy instead of recovering that 50-cents-on-the-dollar (i.e. 2nd/3rd tier talent) in return. Given that Morey is pretty good at acquiring findind 2nd/3rd tier talent anyway (Martin, Scola, Brooks, Landry, Lowry, etc.), who cares if he misses out on the chance of getting one or two more of these guys?

 

I just really want something to happen. These assets so called we have will start to expire in value. Battier, Scola, Brooks, Yao contract. All within one year each decline in value or will be gone completely from our ability to gain anything of importance for them if we wait. If I have to use past waiting examples that didnt work out to urge along the cause I intend to get across? Thats basically how i operate as a poster. Its straight forward and truthful. I have an agenda. My agenda is to stress the importance of our assets before they are no longer assets. To use those if there is some chance they wont get used at all. Then wait for nothing to happen. If I post something to the effect to get that idea across? It may happen to involve Tmac and Yao as examples to get that idea across. Which is actually a example of truth to emphasize my goal. Selfish but i want the Rockets to succeed. They will not succeed if Aaron Brooks goes into the waist category, Scola ages and is not part of our future plan, Battier ages next year, Yao never plays again for the Rockets. These should be every Rockets fans goals to see they get resolved or the Rockets have a plan for these players in the future to be part of. Every fan.

 

Everything has a Shelf Life.
The rockets maybe holding assets too long? Maybe?

I'm not sure what is going on with the rockets.
but every year we WAITING FOR THE TRADE DEADLINE
to see if RumpleMoreySkin and spin Straw into Gold .


Rocket River

 

This hints at the bigger issue.
Not so much what the Players thing . . .WHAT DO THEIR AGENTS THINK!
It is the agents that drive the players IMO to various markets etc.

Rocket River

 

What is the guy talking about？

Since Yao joined Rockets, Houston didn't have cap space to sign a key FA even before Moery joined Rockets.

Moery signed Bonzi and Ariza etc, which was consdered "key" and underpaid at the time of signing.

 

so where is the expert? i see two bumbling idiots that aren't looking at the whole picture.

if you are a premier free agent, you sign in a given city for several reasons

1. the ability to pay said fa max money per their tier
2. the ability to play with another star/core group that can win
3. the ability to gain additional revenues from marketing opportunities


We haven't had cap space to compete. We don't currently have a superstar. with yao out, there are no significant addl revenue streams in the Houston market.

notice that none of these have to do with morey. in fact, quite the contrary, i believe morey will factor into reasons that fa's will eventually sign here. they see that he will not kill the flexibility of the team to "over"sign a role player.

cough... mo williams... cough.... hedo turkoglu... cough... michael redd...

 

Oh no, you brought in the experts like Bill Ingram

Might be time to re-block the hoopsworld URL, lot of this trash floating around these days.

 

thank you. having 2 stars basically have their careers ended/derailed by injuries is usually pretty devastating for the team they are on and it's usually a pretty impossible situation to handle. you can't trade them before they're injured, you can't get value once they're really proven to be done, and trading them for 50 cents on the dollar in the interim would certainly not make the fans very happy.

i know everyone on here is psychic and knew exactly what would happen to yao/tmac injury-wise (even with their initial injuries not being what finished them off) but somehow i don't think that after yao's first foot injury when he came back and looked great and healthy if we announced at the trade deadline that we were trading yao for 50 cents on the dollar just to "make sure we get something" because we "know more injuries are coming" that everyone on this board complaining now would be thrilled. people would say morey was friggin' crazy because gm's don't make trades based on predicted injuries. unfortunately, when stars start getting injured, getting the star back healthy is the best way to maximize the talent on your roster. you risk getting nothing at some point if they happen to be the rare player who really is done for before 30, but you pretty much guarantee a lower ceiling if you decide to trade them.

considering morey took over a team that had yao, tmac, poor role players, and some bad contracts and his 2 biggest assets basically imploded into having zero value, it's amazing we aren't winning 15-20 games a year. luckily we just straight stole scola from the spurs, drafted brooks (not looking great right now admittedly) something like 26th, got landry with the 30th pick and then turned him into kevin martin, got kyle lowry with rafer alston's corpse, and locked undrafted chuck hayes up long term for very little money.

or with another gm we could have no tmac, no yao, no role players and rudy gay making $16M a year. i'm sure everyone would really be thrilled then.

 

No I dont excuse Yao and Tmac situations. No you didnt need a crystal ball to see those injuries coming. Yes it would have been hard to move them when they got healthy for stretches. No it was NOT IMPOSSIBLE AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE.

 

Yeah tons of "key" FAs floating around there that will play for MLE.

This Ingram guy is an idiot lol.