the sad part is that there are TWO separate issues here: (1) illegal immigration and (2) Trump's methods of communication. Sometimes these are related (and obviously they are related here), and sometimes they are not related. But related or not I think 98 or 99% of the time folks misleadingly conflate the two issues.
well, that's the question, isn't it? are the white supremacists applauding what the media SAYS Trump is saying, or are they applauding Trump's actual words? Assuming the quotes in the Cortes article are accurate, are white supremacists applauding these words? After another question at that press conference, Trump became even more explicit: “I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.” . . . President Trump’s succinct and direct words: “Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.”
Ok that doesn't mean there wasn't an increase or explains it. The article also states that hate crimes are incredibly underreported. And regardless things that are not dependent on reporting such as terrorist attacks by white nationalists are on the rise as well. There are many data points that strongly indicate a rise in hate, yet you still want to deny it.
They do actually. They think he does that because he has to do that for 'Optics'. Whether people want to admit it or not, racist groups are a lot more shadowy now than before...I'm not sure why it's a surprise, they are literally using the same methods as groups like ISIS. They recruit online and target the same kind of men. They operate on the dark belly of the web. The only thing they don't do is openly celebrate shootings...although, go to an anonymous forum like one of the chans and they certainly do that too.
This is so ridiculous. He referred to the white supremacists as one side - both sides having "very fine people". What the F does that mean other than to give white supremacists a nod
I think this ties into the earlier conversation in this thread where white supremacist rhetoric is bleeding into the main stream. For example, I have peers I served with who regularly tout the IQ bell curve, "race realism", minorities replacing them, "white genocide", etc but label them white supremacists or racists, and rhetoric will be offended. So there will be many people who point to Trump's explicit dismissal of groups like the KKK while those same people will turn around and start talking about invasion hoards of immigrants and how their race has a superior IQ than Africans and it's through genetic predisposition.
Yes, it is fair to quote Trump as saying the things he said. But it doesn't erase the other things he said or the fact that he equated both sides. It doesn't change the fact that he said there were some very fine people marching with the neo-Nazis. He did do all of those things and it isn't the media twisting anything to point that out. It also is fair to look at a pattern of the kinds of language Trump uses, and which things he decides are just a few bad apples and which things he decides are a national emergency. It is fair to weigh that history when interpreting Trump's statements.
That's fair. Like i said earlier Trump obviously doesn't want to upset part of the base and i won't justify that. That being said i think the media didn't report the incident correctly aa far as how the confrontation began
I dont think the media made it clear that the alt right planned that protest and the counter protesters showed up to shout them down
Cortes ignored trump's next speech on the topic: "Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans," Trump said. But, that walk back did not last long. The next day during an infrastructure event at Trump Tower, Trump held an impromptu press conference where he seemed to double down on his original comment. He said there was blame on both sides and seemed to equate the actions of the counter protesters with those of the white nationalists. "You had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides," Trump said. After that press conference, the outrage at Trump from both sides of the aisle intensified. Republican House Speaker Paul Ryan, who until that time had not been very critical of Trump as president, said Trump "messed up." "It sounded like a moral equivocation or at the very least moral ambiguity when we need extreme moral clarity," Ryan said on CNN.
I think they made it clear that Trump claimed a side that had people joining a protest organized by Neo Nazis were "fine people" . In fact they made it a point of emphasis that the protestors who filed for the permit were the same neo Nazis marching with tiki torches chanting "Jews will not replace us".
In terms of Charlottesville everything started with the church shooting before the 2016 presidential campaign
