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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by pgabriel, Oct 24, 2007.

  1. superfob

    superfob Mommy WOW! I'm a Big Kid now.

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    Do you? How is a player suppose to "explode" off the court when guarded from the front and back? That's an offensive charge waiting to happen. Please stop confusing clips of NBA LIVE as real life.
     
  2. rockmanslim

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    Are you honestly telling me that if you put two players a foot shorter than KG on KG, he couldn't receive a lob pass or at the very least draw a foul trying to catch it?
     
  3. rockmanslim

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    Apparently you guys only watch Rockets games, I assume?
     
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    I will guarantee you Adelman fixes the fronting defense bit. He'll bring Yao out high face him up, and if the defense continues to overplay, Adelman will design back door cuts for Yao where he gets the ball after stepping down the lane for the slam.

    Adelman has a creative and fluid offensive mind. He won't get locked into anything set and not be willing to adjust off what the defense is doing.
     
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    That "double fronting" defense that Golden State, Phoenix and others used last year is precisely how I would play the Rockets if I was the opponent. Granted, that sort of strategy used to be an illegal defense but it's the best way to slow down and frustrate Yao.

    Hopefully with the addition of Scola's versatile game and Yao's passing ability it will make teams reluctant to do that.
     
  6. abcdef

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    Stro and Darko are not a foot shorter than Yao.

    The lob pass is designed to beat the front by throwing it over the fronting defender and having the offensive player go towards the basket to get it. Well.... if there's someone standing behind him he can't do that; he'd just run over the defender and be called for offensive foul.

    No KG can't get the ball either in that situation.

    It seems you hate Yao so much you don't even remember how simple things, like LOB PASSES, work.
     
  7. superfob

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    But the Grizz aren't the only team that's done it.

    Al Harrington is 9 inches shorter than Yao.
    Shawn Marion is 11 inches shorter than Yao.

    So you're saying if you put a 6-3 player and and a 6-1 player on KG off the ball, he would not be able to catch a lob pass in that situation. Got it.

    Shawn Marion is 11 inches shorter than Yao.
     
  9. superfob

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    It doesn't matter on the height of the player. A two foot midget will draw a charge if Yao attempts to enter his stationary position while catching a lob pass.
     
  10. abcdef

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    Yes, KG wouldn't be able to catch the lob because the guy behind will almost certainly be able to steal the ball or cause KG to run him over. Lob passes are easy to anticipate and pick off.

    Seriously, have you ever played any basketball? Or even watched it?
     
  11. DonkeyMagic

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    yao is not as explosive, quick, agile, etc as KG. Thats kind of a big deal :cool:
     
  12. rockmanslim

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    Unless the to defenders are straight up hugging him (which of course is a foul), there's always an open area you can throw the lob to where the player can use his quickness and explosion to get to the spot, go up and get it, especially if guarded by relative midgets. This is the case with the players I mentioned. With Yao, not so much.
     
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    either way, a decent double team away from the ball is fairly effective against any player...especially against one who is not particularly quick or explosive.
     
  14. abcdef

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    Yes that is true, but even for KG it is impossible to catch a pass when doubled like that. KG would solve the problem by coming out high and taking his man off the dribble, which Yao can't do very well.

    His blatant irrational hate for Yao is so obvious.
     
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    agree or stoudemire for one .yao is unique he has his own style and is dominant in his own way.yao is not as effective playing the pick and roll as stoudemire is for example.but yeah yao has some difficulties when players front him but like a poster said the rockets have one player who is free in this case
     
  16. superfob

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    Wrong, KG would obviously jump over the back defender and dunk the ball. Gravity does not apply to KG or the other mentioned players.

    In reality, the only player I've seen convert on such a play is Shaq during his time in LA. Of course the refs seemingly allow him to bulldoze his way through the back defender while calling a foul on his defender.
     
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    exactly. no matter who you are, being pinned between two defenders makes its extremely difficult to get the ball...you are talking about a perfect lob catching the defense completely off guard. Chance are you are looking at a success rate of maybe 30% and thats being generous. You have to combat a double team by quick ball rotation, sharp passes and other players taking advantage of the "holes" in the defense.
     
  18. Big Shot Bob

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    The double team or fronting wouldnt have worked as well if battier and scola could have hit a freaking shot in that game. I seem to remember that in the golden state game last year that we lost, no one could hit a shot except for luther head. mcgrady was dogging it in the first quarter so jvg took him out. so yeah al harrington is gonna look like a stud playing against yao. Essentially i think that is the same problem we have when we play phoenix, minus the mcgrady part. They double team yao and we dont punish them for doing it. This year its gonna be a different story, with the high post, bonzi, scola, mike james. Teams are gonna get punished for playing zone or double teaming us. Think layups, think wide open jumpers.
     
  19. krosfyah

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    ummm, let's look closer at your list:

    KG = not a center. Plays PF.
    Shaq = the most mobile 350 lb center the world has ever seen.
    Amare = not a true center but play 5 in the Suns uptempo offense.
    Duncan = not a center. Plays PF.

    So far, your list only applies to Shaq ...sorta.
     
  20. YallMean

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    Yao at high post, they are dennying him ball there too. There goes the idea that Yao would have easy life living by the high post. Worse, he spent all his energy catching the ball at high post and dont know what to do with it after the ball. Yao has to feature at low post where he is most effective. This high post stuff is like candy, which cannot replace meals.
     

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