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Why does SF always have to take the last shot?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rockets34Legend, Jan 15, 2004.

  1. codell

    codell Member

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    RR,

    That shows you what a special PG Steve Nash is.

    If I was starting a team from scratch, I would start with Steve Nash, even over Jason Kidd.
     
  2. ricerocket

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    What's amazing is Nash didn't play nearly as much and was somewhat ineffective because of a hip flexor. Walker had like 11 assists!
     
  3. Mr. Clutch

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    As good as Dallas' offense was, they still needed 2 OT's to beat Philadelphia.
     
  4. ricerocket

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    That's _allas! ;)
     
  5. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    I would too. Nash can shoot.
     
  6. bottlerocket

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    Nope disagree.

    SF TO ratio might be higher than Jax or any one on the team b/c he handles the ball more. Ball handling skills is one of the most important attribute a PG must have. If you can't take care of the ball then you can't score.

    Jim Jackson?? If you would have said Mobley then that would hold more water. How many teams has Jax been on?? Wasn't he out of the league for awhile? Don't say it was his attitude that kept him out b/c producing is what matters.
     
  7. gucci888

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    Hmmm....Rockets vs. Lakers (Stevie for 3 for OT), Rockets vs. Miami (Stevie for 3 for OT), Rockets vs. Sixers (Stevie for 3 to end 1st). These all happened last season.

    JVG puts the ball in Stevie's hands because he can break down a defense better than anyone on the team. He can dribble and spot up for the shot or penetrate all the way, Stevie is the only one on the Rockets that can get that type of penetration and will most likely get fouled if he gets too close

    Anyways, thats not a big deal, it only happens once or twice a game, and that's how all NBA teams do it, get the ball to your best player and get out of the way.
     
  8. ricerocket

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    If you have to ask then how do you know?
     
  9. deadlybulb

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    This season it hasn't worked, but in past seasons, I've seen many games that Francis has won or forced to overtime with a three pointer. I still have faith that his clutch play and his overall game will come around this season.
     
  10. ricerocket

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    Since when does he always have to..... :rolleyes:
     
  11. GATER

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    Every player and every coach on every NBA team knows what's going to happen with 10 seconds on the game clock. They are going to body up making a 3 point shot difficult and force him to shoot over 2 or 3 defenders when he drives because they know he's going to run the clock down so far he will have no other options.

    If you want to delude yourself that this is the most effective use of the last 10 seconds of a quarter and that someones crossover moves is good to defeat a defense set up to stop this, fine. If I am a baseball hitter and every time you get me 3-2 you throw me a fast ball, sooner or later, I'm going to figure that out and get your timing.

    Francis not passing the ball as the clock winds down is far less effective than Jackson taking a few dribbles and passing to another player. It has nothing to do with who dribbles better. It's about who makes better decisions and to not repeat the same process time after time after time. Which is why Horry and Elie would not have made their famous shots had Francis been their PG.
     
  12. ragingFire

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    Steve takes the last shot of the quarter at least once each game and you can only remember 3 he made, ... all in last season ?!! ;)

    That tells how effective he's been.
    Like we said, is he mixes things up, it would work out better for him.
     
  13. Xenogears

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    I wish he would shoot more though. He's sacrificing a lot of his shots for walker. Walker will keep shooting even though he misses a ton. Dallas took 113 shots yesterday and Walker went 4-19, while Nash only took 8 shots. The game before Walker went 6-18, while Nash went 12-16. Nash is only avg 11 shots per game, which I think is one of the reasons dallas is losing so much. Cancer Walker being the other reason. Jamison should start ahead of him. It's unbelievable that Jamison went 9-13 with 23 points, yet could not get into OT until Walker fouled out.:confused:
     
  14. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Umm, the game was well in hand at the end and ended with Padgett holding the ball in the backcourt, we are all talking about situations where the Rockets are shooting the last shot of the game. Try to keep up.
     
  15. ricerocket

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    It was in that context, Stupid (It's your name not mine!).

    If you sealed a victory, is that necessarily the very end of the game. That was the point at that time in the thread. Try to pay attention Stupid.... :p
     
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    Who else on the team can create their own shot? Cat is more likely to get off a worse shot the Steve. Who else then? I would put my money on the line with Steve everytime.
     
  17. ricerocket

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    Look at Dallas. At the end of reg. Finley held it for about 15 seconds and jacked up a crazy shot. We are not alone....
     
  18. GATER

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    If you were a Raptors fan, should Vince Carter take the last shot because he can create better? Surprise! It was a Chris Bosh 3 that sent the Rox game into overtime.

    Dallas geared up to stop Iverson last night late in the game clock. Surprise! It was Glenn Robinson who tied it (following Korver who had tied it on a 3 with under a minute).

    You can't name the last time Steve Francis passed the ball (other than a bailout because he was in the air about to get blocked) in the last 10 meaningful seconds left in a quarter. I got 30 of this years games on tape and 65 or so from last year and about 40 from the season before. Give me one were he was effective. For everyone of his "hero" shots there are at least 3 horrible looking possessions.

    Creating a shot has nothing to do with his success rate.
     
  19. ricerocket

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    Gater,

    You are preying on the unsuspecting with that. Carter was supposed to take the shot, Bosh got it kicked out to him in desperation....

    Iverson did hit a big three. Robinson took that one shot on the SAC pick and roll with Iverson....

    Dallas abandoned Korver foolishly or that wouldn't even have been a game. AI wasn't even supposed to play, he was real sick with the flu.....

    Francis did it last night at the end of the 1/4 with 9 seconds left and got an earful from JJ. He got fouled.... Not the same but...
     
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    he likes to showoff!
     

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