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Why does Gerald Green get a free pass 24/7 while Melo gets banished?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by W22_STREAK, Nov 23, 2018.

  1. cheke64

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    Exactly, melo sends his media goons to talk for him.
     
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  2. J.R.

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    This.

    Gerald Green is pure.

    Carmelo Anthony is a New Yorker who would take any future Rockets championship trophies back with him to New York or Florida. @tinman

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  3. daywalker02

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    Can he pass some down to his cousin Danny, would do wonders as a backup off the bench.
     
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  4. Reeko

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    you’ve got it all wrong...taking Melo out of the rotation is the single biggest contributor to the bounceback of our beloved team

    Melo was easily the biggest net negative on the court and torpedoed our defense while being absolute garbage offensively, and unlike GG who only plays 17 mpg and takes 7 shots a game, garbage Melo was being trotted out there for 29 mpg and was 4th on the team in shot attempts

    Melo shot under 40% in 6 of his 10 games with us, and 5 of those 6 he shot under 35%

    Melo would be an extra point of attack in the playoffs? Lmao, Melo is unplayable in the playoffs. Did u see how big of a liability he was for OKC during last year’s playoffs? Melo is barely playable during the regular season unless he’s having a hot night offensively. Melo can’t generate a key basket whenever the team needs, stop overrating this dude. Actually, he can generate a shot, but it will most likely be a brick, so at the end of the day, who cares?

    Don’t ever compare Harden and Melo. Harden has always more than made up for whatever shortcomings he had on defense with tremendous offensive impact. He’s an MVP caliber player. It’s easy to live with his defense which is now not even bad anymore. Melo on the other hand is washed. He’s cooked. He’s done. No, we can’t tolerate Melo’s lack of defense...

    Opposing players shot 3.6 percent better with Anthony guarding them on average. Within six feet of the basket, players shot 10.4 percent better than normal, and on two-pointers in general, they converted at a 5.4-percent better rate.

    With him [Anthony] on the bench, the Rockets have allowed 104.5 points per 100 possessions, according to Cleaning the Glass’ tracking — slightly fewer than the 105.8 they allowed last season, which ranked sixth in the league. With Melo, Houston’s defensive rating has ballooned to 114.1 points per 100 possessions, which would rank 27th.

    please tell me when Harden ever had this disastrous an effect on the defense

    here’s how Melo made up for his atrocious defense



    The Rockets’ losses have been ugly, but no player was responsible for a worse points discrepancy than Anthony. In 294 minutes with Anthony on the floor, the Rockets were outscored by 63 points. The Rockets have outscored other teams by 17 points in the 330 minutes he’s sat on the bench.

    Melo does not deserve to be here, and he damn sure does not deserve to be playing if u want the Rockets to be as good as possible. Morey and the coaching staff realized there’s no way they could continue to give him steady rotation minutes, so it was decided that it’s best to just part ways because Melo obviously wouldn’t be happy with DNPs and limited minutes.
     
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  5. SWTsig

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    We played some of the worst basketball we’ve played in years when he was on the team. Like inexplicably bad. The second he takes a leave of absence we suddenly become unbeatable. What other evidence do you need? Who gives a damn what anyone says - newsflash: his friends nor the team were going to throw him under the bus - the evidence was on the court.

    No I’ll will towards melo but it’s obvious he was unwilling to alter his role for the benefit of the team. He didn’t do it in nyc, didn’t do it in okc and now here. What’s left to defend? He leaves and we’re worlds better. Next.
     
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  6. nickb492

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    Ego and effort. That's the difference. I don't care about net negatives when the entire team was playing awfully together with injuries, suspensions, and chemisty problems but for what every reason Melo's ego killed his chance to be part of this team. Clark isn't as great a shooter but his hustle plays and just keeping his head forward is the type of players we need around Harden and Paul. Green, Clark, Hartenstein, and Tuck are those guys.
     
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  7. Houstunna

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    The I-45 TAT !!!

    Serious answer... Green's ego isn't as big.

    Somewhat justified since Melo has been the much greater player. However his skills have diminished so his faults weigh more. He's had a Terrell Owens-esque career.
     
  8. donkeypunch

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    It happens everytime, mainly busta ryhmes and ludacris, but busta got his groove back, the only man in existence to ever get his groove back after the cutting of braids.
     
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  9. daywalker02

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    I do not think he gets a free pass, he may play until the season end. They would evaluate him just later.
     
  10. Patience

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    When Green joined the Rockets last year, the team got better. When Melo joined the team this year, they got much worse. Whatever individual stats you choose to look at, the impact on the team is clear as day.
     
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    In addition to everything else already posted, GG is a credible three point shooter who can also slash to the basket and finish. Offensively, the perfect compliment for this team.
     
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  12. J Sizzle

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    Do not ever compare Gerald Green to Carmelo Anthony ever again
     
  13. icewill36

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    How can Melo be responsible for the teams poor play? He’s not the one with the ball in his hands all the time. Harden, cp3, and ego all started horribly. (Ego STILL looks bad) the data people are using against Melo is completely skewed to an agenda.

    This team looked out of shape to start the season. All the guys making the most money on this team were playing like garage. Melo wasnt starting with them so how is it his fault? Lol @ trying to point out Melo having some poor shooting games when the entire team was doing the same. This is not about production or MCW and Chriss ( a known locker room cancer) would be gone. This is about Bzdelik period. You guys are clueless if you think otherwise.
     
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    Gerald isn’t a complete liability offensively, defensively, and culturally.

    That’s why.
     
  15. The Real Shady

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    Melo needed to be more of a catch shoot guy if he was going to be starting. He messed up the flow of the offense. Just look at OKC and Houston's records once he was gone.

    While they are both a negative to the team while on the floor, the team is much worse whey he was playing.

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  16. Remlap

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    As I've mentioned before, put yourself in MDA's shoes.
    1) Coach of the Year
    2) Took GSW to 7 games (should have won except for a hamstring and a few refs)
    3) Expectations are HIGH to take down Goliath this year and go all the way
    4) MDA has a past history with Melo. Linsanity was born when Melo was injured in NY.
    Jeremy Lin buys into MDA's system and a star is born (ALA James Harden). The Knicks go on a tear
    for a brief burst. NY goes NUTS. Melo returns to the lineup and MDA's system dies. MDA gets run out of town as a result.
    5) MDA career was left for dead after LA (Kobe) and NY (Melo). Word on the street is that MDA
    is washed up. His system is no longer relevant in the NBA before being picked up by the Rox.
    6) Now Melo becomes available as his skills are being questioned and being run out of town himself.
    So, his good friend CP campaigns to pick him up on the cheap.
    7) MDA INHERITED Melo, he didn't campaign for him. It was strictly a 'closely guarded' experiment for cheap.
    8) Season begins as a disaster. Melo's numbers show defensive deficiencies and offensive inefficiencies.
    9) MDA is hearing voices again about being washed up, his system doesn't work. Yet he knows
    his system DOES work WHEN THE RIGHT PERSONNEL ARE IN PLACE.
    10) Is MDA willing to risk deja vu and being run out of town again at Melo's expense? NOT A CHANCE.
    The only real option (and a redemption of sorts for MDA) is to cut bait and remove Melo from the equation.
    11) Low and behold, the sun comes back out, Rockets are winning again.

    As for Gerald Green. as has been mentioned, he doesn't required the spotlight nor media circus that
    Melo does. He plays with HEART when he's out on the court. Sure, he's not real efficient at times which
    is why his name is on one of the bench chairs and he's okay with that.
    I look at him as a rodeo bull. You open the gate and he's going full bore. Maybe ugly at times and violent,
    but it's all out. Coach of the Year sees the effort and is willing to accept it for now.

    That's my take. End of story.
     
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  17. LosPollosHermanos

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    GG helps chemistry and melo killed it.
     
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  18. ThunderStruck

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    Teams don't chase after Green on defense.

    Green had a 56.6 TS% and 14.1 PER last season, so Rockets have history of what he can do for them in his role.

    The team has no fear of any issues with chemistry, etc if they give Green DNP's or spot minutes etc.

    It's not a good comparison really.
     
  19. xtruroyaltyx

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    Biggest difference is attitude and chemistry.

    Despite what the numbers say, attitude, effort...chemistry....

    That still means something.

    Melo is not willing to accept any role and play the way the team wants him to play. He wants to do his Melo thing even though his Melo thing ain’t won **** or even come close to winning ****.
     
  20. glimmertwins

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    ...well if Melo gets an open shot, he pump fakes the defender on the closeout, takes a step inside the 3 point line and then ends up taking an even worse contested 2 pointer. Green will just take the 3pt shot with a guy flying at him. At the end of the day, that makes a huge difference in the point totals - Melo robs the team of an extra point if he were to take the more valuable shot AND he takes more time off the clock AND doesn't pass it to other guys to take those 3s meaning the offense loses the opportunity to take more of those valuable 3s. The 3pt shooting strategy works only when you take them in volume so if Melo either doesn't set up someone else to take that 3 pt shot and if he holds on to the ball for a second longer than Green on 15 more touches a game, that robs your team of opportunities to win. Add to that Green and Melo both have bad habits of gambling on the defensive end which nets about the same amount of steals per game but since Green plays the passing lanes, he isn't also generating needless fouls while Melo's main gamble is that stupid ball swipe that gets called for a foul more often than it generates a turnover. I agree that there are a lot of similarities to their offensive and defensive production but HOW you get those numbers makes a difference and in this case it amounted to losses given the minutes we had to play Anthony. I think the bigger point however is we are in trouble if we have to rely on Carmelo OR Green for 25+ minutes a game. If we had the luxury early in the season I think we would have much preferred to play Melo less minutes but that's unfortunately not how it shook out.
     

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