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Why Does Everyone Want to Trade Cato?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by thacabbage, Aug 19, 2003.

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  1. Sane

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    Obviously, Posey/Stepania/Best.

    But what difference does that make, we don't have any of these 3. What we do have is Cato, and you are suggesting that Stepania would be just as effective. That's your opinion, not mine.
     
  2. RIET

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    Hmmm. let's see.

    We decided not to match Posey's contract because it would put us over the luxury tax.

    We could have matched Posey for $6 million/year.

    Travis Best signed for the veteran's league minimum ($965,000) for 1 season. If we offered him $1.5 million for 3 seasons, we might have gotten him.

    Vladimir Stepania made $565,000 last season and is still unsigned.

    All 3 couldve happened if we didn't have Kelvin Cato. When you ask the question, should we trade Kelvin Cato, these are factors you think of.
     
  3. Sane

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    You cannot just wipe his contract off for capspace.

    If that was possible, we'd sign a SF straight up rather than sign 3 barely decent players.

    Just so you know, Stepania would much rather stay with the heat for a cheap contract.

    Travis Best rejected the vet minimum from the Celtics, an Eastern title contender.

    Oh, and James Posey could've been signed, however we would be unable to complete another signing to complete the roster.

    Still, if we could just wipe Cato away, I probably would.

    Would I count on Vladimir Stepania playing enough minutes to keep Yao fresh for the playoffs? Hell no.
     
  4. RIET

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    Exactly. This is also why no team would want him. He is a salary cap albatross.

    The Heat have refused to give him more than a 1 year contract. Im sure if we gave him a 3 year deal, he would consider it.

    So what. He had minimum contract offers from Dallas and Boston and he chose Dallas. Who wouldn't.

    However, if we offered him more than the vet minimum and more years, he would have considered us also. he has been quoted as saying he prefered not to sign for the vet minimum.

    And why is that? Because we have Cato type salaries.

    Stepania is more than adequate backup capable of playing 15-20 minutes.


    The question isn't why would we want to trade Cato. The real question is why would anyone want to take his bad contract.
     
  5. jdlee80

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    Hey Stoke, does coming in second in rookie of the year voting sound disapointing? True, he wasn't a dominant force in the paint. But, that's cause he's 23 years old. Coaches weren't unhappy with his play. rudy was spoon feeding him into the NBA style of play which is the right thing to do. If they had just thrown him in there all the time, he would have collapsed after 3 quarters. I have extremely high expectations for Yao, in 2 years. You are already dogging on him after one season! Calling Yao a bust is bush-league material. You sound like a Mavs fan to me. Go back to the Big D and be fair-weathered with the rest of the Cuban Losers.
     
  6. zoork34

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    how can yall argue over what people you dont even know will do or would have done. the fact is, we have cato and not posey or best or the commie, so deal with it.
     
  7. Texas Stoke

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    I love it. such emotional attachment to a player. I respect that. But I root for the team. just so you know, Im not dogging Yao, and I know he'll prove me right next year, and improve to the point where he diminshes Cato's role, to where Cato is just there to give Yao 12 minutes of rest. and the only bush material around here is that funky stuff in the bush between your legs.
     
  8. jdlee80

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    So Stoke,

    What's your argument again? You said Fans and Coaches were disappointed with Yao. You accused him of turning into a bust. Now you are suddenly in agreement that Yao will be much better next season. Quit contradicting yourself, you sound ridiculous. Oh, the only emotional attachment that I have is with your mom and sister. Tell them to quit camping out on my doorstep all the time, I'll let them inside once it stops raining!
     
  9. Texas Stoke

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    I'm not saying it like that. you know you are so paranoid about people dogging Yao and you get so defensive like a little b**** when Yao's name is mentioned that from my first post onward you have looked at what I was saying all the wrong way, like I was attacking Yao or something, when I was actually giving the guy props by saying that Cato will not be as important next year because Yao will play more minutes and will play a greater role. You're seeing an attack on Yao and when there never was one. you're mind is playing tricks on you, boy.

    and the only thing I'm contra-dicking is your girlfriend.
     
  10. haven

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    But you've got to buy Cato as a PF, first. That's a decent argument for him getting more minutes when Yao's tired, but that's it.

    The ironic thing about this thread is that most people are in agreement about Cato. It seems almost everyone, on both sides of the issue think:

    1. Cato is a very good back-up C.
    2. Cato is slightly to moderately overpaid.
    3. Cato is unlikely to get many minutes if Yao improves his stamina (unless you buy the argument that he can play PF... nuts if you ask me, but you never know...).

    IMO, these 3 things add up to a trade. If he were paid less, I'd be happy to keep him as a back-up. But I don't want a player getting 8m per year for spot duty (no matter how well he plays in that spot duty). If he plays less, his value goes down. So trade now...

    so I guess I agree with the initial post. And it's great to see a cabbage sighting :).
     
  11. jdlee80

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    Damn it Stoke,

    I told your mom that were weren't dating. Do me a favor and let her know that I'm with your sister now. The whole mother-daughter thing was fun for a while, but your mom had the worst case of halatosis I've ever come across. Like you said, you are only contra-dicking your mom so there is no more confusion as to who is with who.

    P.S. You've got a great family
     
  12. MLC1MGC2ALC3

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    How about this one ! :D
    Houston trades: C Kelvin Cato (4.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 17.1 minutes)
    Houston receives: C Joel Przybilla (1.5 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.4 apg in 17.0 minutes)
    PF Anthony Mason (7.2 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 3.2 apg in 32.6 minutes)
    Change in team outlook: +4.2 ppg, +5.0 rpg, and +3.3 apg.

    Milwaukee trades: C Joel Przybilla (1.5 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.4 apg in 17.0 minutes)
    PF Anthony Mason (7.2 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 3.2 apg in 32.6 minutes)
    Milwaukee receives: C Kelvin Cato (4.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 73 games)
    Change in team outlook: -4.2 ppg, -5.0 rpg, and -3.3 apg.

    TRADE ACCEPTED

    New York Connection! Got to love it ! :D
     
  13. A-Train

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    Well, this thread officially died with that pathetic mom/sister/girlfriend smack...put it out of its misery, please...
     
  14. Shotcaller

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    I cant stand cato... I have seen him go out and have some monster games.... then turn around aginst lesser players and look awfull....
     
  15. Friendly Fan

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    what is a cabbage sighting?
     
  16. haven

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    thacabbage is a terrific veteran poster who rarely contributes anymore.
     
  17. blaqnitti

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    7ft vs. 6'4" (you know the rules):rolleyes:
     
  18. blaqnitti

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    Actually, I'd go a step further and say that we have the best center combo in the league.;)
     
  19. blaqnitti

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    I would take Cato over Kandi easily. He has more heart, and better D.
     
  20. MLC1MGC2ALC3

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    LOVE THIS DEAL !;)
    Houston trades: C Kelvin Cato (4.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 17.1 minutes)
    PG Moochie Norris (4.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 2.4 apg in 16.8 minutes)
    Houston receives: SF Chris Mills (4.8 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 1.1 apg in 12.5 minutes)
    C Shawn Bradley (6.7 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.7 apg in 21.4 minutes)
    Change in team outlook: +2.7 ppg, +0.5 rpg, and -0.9 apg.

    Dallas trades: SF Chris Mills (4.8 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 1.1 apg in 12.5 minutes)
    C Shawn Bradley (6.7 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.7 apg in 21.4 minutes)
    Dallas receives: C Kelvin Cato (4.5 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.3 apg in 73 games)
    PG Moochie Norris (4.3 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 2.4 apg in 82 games)
    Change in team outlook: -2.7 ppg, -0.5 rpg, and +0.9 apg.

    TRADE ACCEPTED
     

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