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Why does everyone continues to bash Rafer....

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by KAS13, Dec 26, 2006.

  1. BackNthDay

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    Because Rafer has some the most ridiculous turnovers you will ever see. Also, his persistence to shoot the 3 instead of driving to the bucket. Rafer has point guard ability, however, the mental aspect is lacking or has Jeff destroyed another rocket point guard.
     
  2. EGYPT

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    I do not like rafer becasue, he has no basketball IQ. The guy is very limited on what he can do. running a fast break is always a heart breaking. He tries to always please JVG by running fast to offense but when he gets there he doesnot know what to do, he looks like he has matches burning in his butt just running all over the place with no plan.

    I can not believe I saw him the other day runing on a fast break with Luther on his other side and instead of continuing to run to one side and take the denfender with him and then give a pass for an easy layup to Luther, he took the defender to Luther's side and we lost the 2 on 1 advantage.

    The guy like many of you said is a good back up point guard and that is it, he is not good enough to be a starter on an elite team i.e Nash or Parker, and yes ladies and gentlemen we are right now an elite team, even though we are a little down right now. A team with YAO, TMAC, BONZI, BATTIER, HEAD is an ELITE team.
     
  3. KAS13

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    I guess you don't really need a response from me anymore since TMac came out and said it was mental after I poted it a few days ago and have said so since the debate began. Both Tracy and Nash suffer from back spasms. That's not even information that makes me an insider. It's why you've seen Tracy start laying on the floor like Nash since his return. If you know NBA rules, players aren't supposed to be allowed to lay on the floor. TMac and Nash are both alllowed to due to their back problems.
     
  4. rhino17

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    I agree. Rafer was most productive coming off the bench for Miami a few years ago. He is nothing more than that. He had never started for an NBA team before he came to the rockets (except 1 year with the really crappy raptors). There had been no indication ever in his career that he is competant enough to be a STARTING PG. I think he would do OK coming off the bench, but the reality is, this guy is just not that good.
     
  5. Prosun

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    T-Mac did say it was mental. It is 50%. But how you took that quote to interpret that T-Mac:

    I have no idea. It's just more ignorance and baseless statements coming out of you without any proof. Now, if it's your opinion, fine. Just say that. But don't call yourself a "Rockets insider" and expect us to believe your claims without evidence.

    T-Mac has had to deal with a number of back injuries just in the past two years. It's perfectly reasonable and excusable for him to worry about re-aggravating an injury. How can you blame him? The guy got a back spasm just by trying to jump to block a shot by Arenas. He was trying to play defense. I know I'd rather have a hesitant T-Mac than NO T-Mac. But I don't see him dogging it or significantly altering his game though. He was still driving to the basket and dishing or finishing plenty in the Nets game. He just needs to improve his FG%. That will come when his stamina returns to game shape. His shots were too flat in the Pacers game in the 4th quarter, an obvious sign of fatigue.
     
  6. DonkeyMagic

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    ^

    thats hilarious.

    hey, if you talk out of your arse enough sooner or later someone will call you on it.
     
  7. amathie

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    i agree with u, i had no idea why people hates rafer so much.
    he is way better than v-span and JLIII.
    especially this season, i think he improves his jumpers much more.
     
  8. KAS13

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    I don't care if you believe me or not. Didn't I say that in my last post to you. If you think I'm lying about being a Rockets insider that's cool, whatever. You can find out really easy if I'm telling the truth by sending a simple email and asking a question. There's certain people who I would tell things too on this board and certain people I won't. You're in the I won't category. There's no point in carrying on with you because it's not worth it. Believe me, don't believe me I don't care. I know the truth and that's what matters. You have the right to doubt me. End of story
     
  9. Prosun

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    I told you before and I'll tell you again. I never said I think you're not really an insider. I have no idea, and I don't even care. This whole debate was spawned by the remarks you made about T-Mac (see all those quotes above), and I AM STILL waiting for you to justify your comments about T-Mac with real proof. That's the only problem I have with you. Until you do so, you have no credibility, even if you really are an insider. Anyone can say "I know the truth, I don't care if you don't believe me". Well guess what? No one will believe you if you have nothing to back yourself up.
     
  10. Prosun

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    Hey Van Gundier, I'll take this "diminished version" of T-Mac! :D
     
  11. A_3PO

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    It is THIS version of Tracy McGrady that one can argue is more valuable to the Rockets than Yao. But let's see what he levels off to in upcoming games to get a more realistic picture.
     
  12. Prosun

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    I have faith that T-Mac will keep playing like this or at least close to this barring another back injury (*knocks on wood*), which doesn't seem likely if that treatment really worked. You can't expect him to score 31 pts in 28 min, but the moves he put on today were vintage T-Mac.

    But now I really believe Yao should not be considered the MVP of this team. It's John Patterson!
     
  13. solid

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    Alston quietly had another under 30% shooting performance.
     
  14. Amel

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    he is our top PG

    do you realize that?
     
  15. DaDakota

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    How sad is that statement?

    He is the top only because he starts at PG.....but JVG really should be giving some minutes to JL3 and V-SPan in the hopes that come playoff time they may add a dimension that Rafer doesn't have or is capable of producing.

    DD
     
  16. choujie

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    Not hating Rafer, but are you sure about this?
     
  17. Amel

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    his credibility as our first PG was a disguise tonight

    I really don't know how he gets all those minutes

    in order to win a championship we will need a top PG on the court....Alston, could become really important if he stops shooting the ball and starts to distribute and penetrate more..but again there is the issue with his stamina, he is what, 6'2/165 pounds? he needs at least another 20 to be more aggressive in the paint
     
  18. R0ckets03

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    Gee, I dont know why anybody would dare bash the great Rafer Altson?
     
  19. stroker

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    I admit, I even started a thread dissing Rafer for his shot being unreliable, but from what I've seen his shot selection has improved, and his long range and short range shots have improved and I sense his composure is growing as a consequence.

    As much as I love Steve Francis' game and his athleticism, I don't miss him driving the lane out of control while suspended quite high in mid air and him not having a clue where or how to finish unless he dunked it. Rafer clearly plays with better composure than Francis especially on the few times the Rockets push the ball upcourt, and before Yao got hurt, Rafer was getting really good at perimeter passing and whipping the rock around the arc in a timely fashion, and he was really getting the rock down really low on the block in a manner that only seemed like the two were gonna get better.

    I'm happy to retract my criticisms of his shots as long as they keep falling. :cool:
     
  20. Mordo

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    I bash him, because I can't find another starting PG with a lower FG%.
     

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