Why do we think/hope Brooks is gonna be traded for Melo?

I normally agree with you on your takes but one thing here, Melo not known for his 3 pt shooting . Career 31%, shot 32% last year. (Martin career 38%, 31% in 24 games last year here in Houston)(Brooks career 38% also, 40% last year).

 

You nailed it. Melo needs shots. Where should they come from? Martin doesn't take a lot of shots and is very efficient with what he does take. Yao doesn't take a ton of shots and he is very efficient with what he takes. The least efficient shot taker we have is Brooks. He is the one whose shots should be replaced by Melo and his defense replaced with Lowry's.

Not to mention, Lowry is way more efficient offensively than Brooks is.

 

Yea, Melo has never been very efficient but I will ASSUME that with Yao creating more space Melo will have the open looks he never had in Denver thus increasing his percentage but again simple assumption there. Nene is a nice center but I don't think he drew the double teams that Yao does on a regular basis.

 

If it comes down to it, I'd rather trade Brooks than Martin. He's great, I love him, but precious few scoring 1s have ever taken their team anywhere (Isiah Thomas and Jerry West being to huge exceptions).

Melo/Martin as a pair would be nearly unstoppable - their games compliment each other with Melo preferring to score in the low post and Martin a more able shooter from outside and both capable slashers. Both are among the very best in the league at getting to the line - and putting an opponent into the penalty is one of the most effective ways to tear their defense down.

Plus, with them manning the swing positions, precious few teams will have the personnel to guard each of them adequately. Let Martin and Yao work a high P&R on one side of the court and let Anthony lurk on the weakside wing. Best of luck guarding that play.

Again, love Brooks a lot, but he isn't quite the game changer that Melo or Martin is. He doesn't get to the line like them, and he's only been okay facilitating the offense as a distributor.

This would put pressure on Lowry to improve his open 3s, but he'd be more capable starting for us than Courtney Lee.

 

There is a very simple reason why people believe Brooks will be gone:

- Denver wants young talent that is marketable and Brooks has a simple stat line of 20 PPG and 5 APG, which is totally salivating for idiot fans
- Brooks is a one dimensional player whose only skill set is to score; he's a bad passer, bad defender, and bad finisher. This means when we get Melo (a scorer), then the Rockets do not need Brooks anymore.
- Between our marketable young talent (AB and Martin), Martin is more efficient, gets to the free throw line much more, plays within the system, and plays/passes around the same level.

If a trade goes down, it hinges on letting go of either Martin or Brooks and considering we have Lowry in the wings (who can be a starter if he had a chance), dumping off AB for Melo is much better than dumping off Martin.

 

In my opinion,

Melo is just as efficient as Kobe. And he is more efficient than McGrady has been in each of their respective careers.

For the load he has to carry as the #1 option, Melo's efficiency has been very good. Surround him with ultra efficient Martin, Yao, and Lowry and look out.

 

lets see how we would match with the heat's big 3
*scola would be a nightmare for bosh on the defensive end, bosh on the other hand might be taller then scola and could get by him but we still have yao and miller incase he does so no easy task for him,
*lebron and carmelo almost cancel each other out
*wade is gona be a problem for us but i think lowry is a better defender than brooks with a bigger body hopefully lee and battier can help out in that area.
i hope the trade does go down.

 

you ever had that dream, were you do something bad and dont know why?

 

TS%
Anthony - .548
Lowry - .536
Brooks - .549

 

i remember ab carrying us to wins, not martin. Ab is so underrated

 

i know but were trading him for a guy that is gona get us even more wins, enough to maybe get us a championship hopefully.

 

you know you are on Cluthfans when you see AB hating...

non-stop.

 

I agree that Anthony and Martin would be a great offensive combo for the Rockets, especially if Yao makes it all the way back, or even ballpark. But looking at the stats from two seasons ago, with Yao for 86 games, and last season, sans Yao, the remaining players this past season had much different roles, born partly out of necessity. Without Yao, Artest (who was a volume shooter that season when we met the Lakers in the playoffs), and McGrady for the 3 dozen or so games he played in 2008-09, others had to take up the slack. Brooks went from 9.8 FGA to 16.2 FGA. Scola from 9.7 to 13.3 FGA. Landry from 6.1 to 10.6 before the trade. Battier, Lowry, and Hayes all had increases in attempts as well. Two seasons ago, Artest led the team in attempts, followed by McGrady, Yao, and Rafer freakin' Alston, prior to being traded. Brooks and Scola were the 5th and 6th options, with Brooks seeing his minutes and attempts going up after Alston was moved.

Clearly, the roles on this team are going to continue the change that was evolving last season. Scola will see more attempts than 2008-09, Yao or not. Brooks, if he is here, will see his attempts go down a bit, but they'll be higher than 2008-09. With Miller, Hill, and Patterson, Chuck will probably see his bump in shot attempts go back down, unless his improved shooting reported over the summer continues, and his play keeps Hill and Patterson on the bench. Then you have Martin, who had 14.8 attempts in hs short stint here. That number is likely to remain about the same.

One of the exciting things about the upcoming season, even if no other moves are made, except possibly getting a 3rd center, is seeing how the parts meld, their roles, their value in a year with a full camp, preseason, and increased experience with Adelman's system. Budinger, who was 6th in attempts last season, ahead of Kyle and Shane, would be expected to get a bump in minutes and attempts. Does Lowry find his shot? Will Hill improve on the showing he had at the end of last year? Will Patterson's play in preseason and practice force himself into getting more minutes, like Chase did last season? Will the defense improve? (please, if anyone up there is up there and listening!)

Tons of stuff to ponder and get excited about. If we get Anthony, who leaves? How does he mesh with who's left? How does it change the roles on the team of both the new and remaining players? It's exciting to think about. The Rockets can go either route and be significantly better, in my opinion. Personally, I'd be pumped with we managed to get Anthony and lost nothing more painful than Brooks and Battier, along with filler and picks, along with taking back a "bad" contract. (we should see if $3 million and a second rounder would convince Denver to release Shane, so we could sign him back. In a perfect world, we'd manage that) If we go with what we have, however, I think we can make some noise. We just need to stay healthy.

(I hope I didn't ramble too much!)

 

Obviously, this shows that Brooks is the best pure shooter of the bunch.



Now, let's talk about the most efficient offensive player per possession. What do they get out of their possessions?

 

The bad thing about trading Brooks with his low contract is you have to include Battier in there...and i am not willing to do that. It's either Martin or Brooks and no one else....THAT'S IT!! I am not including any other player.

 

How is something based on fact equated to hatred? I guess reality smacks of heresy when one is stuck on an undersized shooting guard's jock strap?

 

Thank god you are NOT our GM. You think Brooks or Martin is enough to get any legit All-Star in the league? Giving up other players is a necessity.

 

I wouldn't call it hate at all, we are discussing him in a trade for Carmelo Anthony not moving him for spare parts. In the perfect world, sure keep him and Martin but it's looking less and less likely. Brooks is a fine PG and has developed into a nice player but to get something you have to give up something and some of us just think out of AB or Kev, AB would hurt a little less.

 

Personally, i think if Lee can develop his handles, he'd be as good if not better than Brooks as a combo guard, based on his vastly superior defense (which would be especially useful with Melo+Martin, lol).