This sounds very smart, but ignores the fact that Presybterians around the world aren't uniting to blow crap up. And it's also kinda insulting. But of course, you made a new friend in Da Da.
Sir, the Quraan and Hadith collectively should determine evertyhing about a Muslim's life because... umm.. well... God said so in the Quraan lol. Only following the study of these two sources do you then seek information from someone or some entity you have sincerely determined IS trustworthy and knowledgeable. After all this, you can think it over yourself and "use your mind" as quoted in the Quraan. Obviously though, using your mind can never contradict the Quraan. Just to illustrate, the Hadith (Secondary source) contains at least 2,500 Hadiths regarding the Prophet. This includes everything he did. Every time he nodded. Everytime he did not object. Every time he said anything. Literally, even when he took a piss. Einstein didn't create relativity, but if you were to study the theory of relativity, surely, you would study his path, right? Salafi/Wahhabi are just a couple of schools of thought. There are radicals in every school of thought. Salafi/Wahabbis just happen to be located in areas with poorer education and plenty of poverty. This is changing now and increased transparency will follow. The difference between Salafis/Wahhabis, I believe, is that they are the most conservative in interpretation - i.e., they are less likely to take a Hadith for the story it teaches.. they instead take them lilterally. But even a liberal interpretation can lead to a radical point of view. I agree with you that a small portion of Wahhabis/Salafis exist who are intolerant of anything America/the West does, good or bad. But I don't think that's unique to Islam, the Middle East, the West or religion in general.
They might not be out to kill us but there a lot of those people don't like America, not so much the people but the government.
The US occupied Japan and Germany for their involvement in WWII and Korea to defend it from Communism.
Even the north Vietnamese who were at war with the US for many years do not hate the US as much as many muslims.
The Europeans occupied Africa for a long time. Do you see africans blowing up airplanes? We controlled Latin American countries to and they don't want to blow us up.
I understand that there are different Islamic schools of thought, and being from Halifi, as opposed to Hanbali, does not insulate you from thinking or believing in 'radical islam'. The same can be said of those who follow the subsect of Sufism. However, I do believe that those who consider themselves 'Salafists' are much less tolerant of the West, and moderate Muslims. The literal interpretation of the Koran and the Hadiths was exactly what I was referring to. This is all about interpretation and twisting things to match ones own belief. Unfortunately, actions by the West are used to justify these beliefs. Can you please explain? To me, this just seems like an impossibility. I'm aware of ultra-liberals in the United States who resort to violence to push social causes. I'm just curious to know how a liberal interpretation of the Koran/Hadiths can lead to a radical point of view? To clarify, radical to me entails resorting to violence as a means of defending or promoting your belief system. You sir are correct. There are small portions of every major religion that are intolerant, and believe in an interpretation, which is contradictory to the spirit of their religion. However, when you combine the events of history - the fall of great islamic empires, the rise of western powers, military defeats at the hands of Israel/India, etc. - with a general lack of economic progression in the entire region, then you set the stage for the aforementioned virulent strain of Islam to take center stage in the world.
Seriously. I guess I spread enough reputation around at last, because I was finally able to rep you again.
we're talking about just hate here right? its not muslims/arab countries/its citizens who are blowing up US civilians/interests but isn't it al queda?
Clearly, you have not travelled enough The world has a love-hate relationship with America, some envy us, some hate us, and to some America is the embodiment of their hopes and dreams. I am not sure why you limited the poll to Muslims, maybe you were trying to make a point, but the question is particularly misleading for it conveys the sense that only Muslims hate America, and even then it would be difficult to make that sort of universal declaration about all Muslims, would it not? I would be hard pressed to say that all Jews hate Muslims. So I am afraid your question may have exposed you as somewhat of a simpleton, although if in jest then I retract that statement, Internet sarcasm occasionally escapes me. If we are talking particularly in the Muslim world, our involvement, and the West's historical involvement in their world, is over a thousand year old and well documented. Feelings need not be rational, they are triggered in different ways and for different reasons. It is part of the human condition: we envy, we hate, we love. And, more importantely, those feelings are not etched in stones, they are ever changing and shift from time to time, you need only look at polls of Arab perceptions of America following Obama's election, it may surprise you.
And you're basing this on? Ironically you can see the same example you're trying to throw on the Muslim nations right here in the US...Much like Germany needed a "scapegoat" in the Jews to have it's personal vendetta against the world, the US needed the Muslims to do the same. Indeed, the original poster put forth the hilarious idea that: Jealousy - They see we have so much and they have so little It's funny that so many Americans believe that the US way of life is the "only" life worth having. That having material objects and money is happiness and what "everyone" wants. Which usually stems from people who have no idea what the world is like outside of the US. Having been in the Middle East on 3 occasions in the Corp, i can only speak for what i've seen, but jealousy is NOT anything near what they feel. But DD is right when the point of free thinking and free social outlines in our society make them nervous. They do not live that way, never have. The land of Phar has always governed themselves religiously, as has the rest of the middle east. They might want certain freedoms, but they most definitely do not want the US way of life. The ones that do, usually for the most part end up here in the US. Because they are just evil Intelligent indeed Care to elaborate on this a bit more? The US never controlled Japan or Germany...rotflmao As for Korea, don't even bother mentioning that and Vietnam as the worst military decisions by the US in our history... talk about brainwashed... You do realize Langhi that germany was seriously kicking our butts right? Germany was taking on 3 super powers at once and winning. Don't let the Time Life commercials confuse you. I took extended intelligence classes in the military and even our teachers were telling us that IF German had not tried to go thru Russia, they would have won the war...period. Maybe not now, but you do remember the Crusades correct? Hatred is hatred regardless of violence or physical contact, especially from a Christian aspect point of view. It specifically states in the bible that to hate another is the same as to kill that person. So there is a distinct difference between dropping a bomb from 32,000 feet vs a backpack? Are you serious? Are insinuating that if another country tried a hostile takeover of the US, and was currently occupying the US, you wouldn't use whatever you could in defense of this country? You'd just wait patiently from the time it happened until a "bomb" dropped from the clouds? And I suggest you go re-read the history of the English and French in Africa, because alot of the African nations fought that oppression.
Of course they did after ww2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Japan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied-occupied_Germany However that is not the point of this thread. I am just saying the American meddling argument is not that strong.
occupation is not control, or are you implying that the US controls Iraq? because nothing of the sort is happening, nor did it happen in the past... Control of a country is running the country, from the top all they way to the bottom. here i'll show you from your own links... The Allied powers who defeated Nazi Germany in World War II divided the country west of the Oder-Neisse line into four occupation zones for administrative purposes during the period 1945–1949. Not to mention, if you had bothered actually reading, you'd see that the US only occupied one section of Germany...
It is very strong. No one has been harmed as much by the meddling, which is why the sentiment is stronger for them.
its more than meddling its draining their natural resources (OIL) and enpowering thier corrupt and aristocratic ruler (the Sheiks)
