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Why do progressives hate to compromise so much ?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by ROXRAN, Nov 6, 2020.

  1. IBTL

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    agreed 100%
    and if the person is true anti establishment, also win republican nomination, have a normal temperament AND get traction ..
    that person could secure 8 years easily and set plate for the party..something gwb failed to do..

    i do think trump showed that the christian right, republican ticket only, and 2nd amendment folks are as powerful set of groups and omnipresent as has ever been
     
  2. Space Ghost

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    I think this posts sheds a little understanding of my frustration. I haven't understood why our country is so divided, but now that you mention it... Believe it or not there are people who prefer compromise. I have enough life experience to know I am often wrong. I would be very naïve to believe that I had all the answers, especially when those solutions stack perfectly in line with a political party.

    You mention climate change as an example of no compromise. When in fact there has been massive amounts of compromise and sizable strides made. Yes, we have a long ways to go from when the industrial age completely ****ed us. We no longer pollute water and air in the excess like we used to. We continue to revolutionize our technology. Building codes now require all kinds of low energy consumption. We are improving battery tech. We handed billions out to develop green tech. California is trying to mandate all EVs by 2035. All of this has taken decades. If we went with an All-or-nothing approach like you suggested, we would still be building coal power plants, driving cars at 15mpg on average, and incandescent light bulbs. Our power demand would be unsustainable.

    Compromise is better than nothing.
     
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  3. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    What should be the right platform for this country?

    Here's what I think:

    1. Let people who are uninsured and don't have a fulltime job buy into medicare at $x/month. Costs are immediately controlled, they are paying for it unless they are too poor, and it lowers everyone's premiums since the insured no longer have to pick up their hospital bills.

    2. Anyone can get a $15K / year loan for higher education just like an SBA loan. They can apply it to any accredited college that doesn't charge tuition above $25k / year. They can then get some kind of loan forgiveness if they work for the gov't for 4 years after they graduate or enter a field where there is a shortage (such as nursing).

    3. Put an energy surcharge on all dirty energy to the producer. The producer can avoid paying the surcharge if they invest a certain amount into clean energy R&D. Build an international fund to additionally research fusion power with the US leading the way.

    My point is that there are solutions to problems that don't have to be liberal or conservative. It seems more to me that people are more interested in playing politics and bluster than actually coming up with creative and smart solutions.
     
  4. ROXRAN

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    Great ideas
     
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    Yeah McConnel and Trump this boy's great heroes will go down as the "Great Compromisers"
     
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  6. Senator

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    Nuclear is needed for the green change... windmills and solar won't do it.

    Trump didn't invent corona, China did. Will you penalize them if it means hurting your bottom line.

    Meat consumption is too high and too frequent across the US, a big part of the obesity and health problems we see. Can you cut down or go vegetarian?

    Where is the compromise where it matters for climate change?

    Hypocrisy always ends up being the issue and keeping either side from compromising. Overall, with population and standard of living increasing along with phone/screen usage, the energy demand keeps going up despite these little "compromises". Elon wants to save the world by diverting resources to space tourism....
     
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  7. durvasa

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    Compromise is absolutely better than nothing. But an unwillingness to capitulate too early is also important. The whole process can be very frustrating, I agree. The way things are set up needs to better incentivize making actual progress rather than pacifying lobbying groups.
     
  8. TWS1986

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    There's the repug troll I know and love. Welcome back Roxran.
     
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  9. TWS1986

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    ****ing bingo.
     
  10. Dubious

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    Loser's best hope is compromise, ha.

    But these fanatics won't. The have proven they are willing to let us all die for profit. They will obstruct every point the new administration tries to enact.

    We already saw them do it for six years of the Obama Administration. We've already seen their actions on covid.
     
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  11. IBTL

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    too bad guys like you would prefer to die on the trump hill then get all the good ideas you mention implemented.

    its not about left and right as guys like rush and newt want you to believe its about doing good things regardless of team..

    rush is about to die and newt not far ...talk about "radical" its radical right hostage by newt and rush. they led you guys to trump and he was a sham too

    now you got your own party leaders like romney voting against their own party..

    repugs need to get rid of this old trash
     
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    Get Trump to give up and no hate messages for him.

    That's a compromise.
     
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    I don’t think he should give up. It’s good tv stuff
     
  14. Dubious

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    hey, we agree on something!

    Every meltdown, every slapped down legal challenge is evidence of the threat fascism. People will be watching by the millions. Real, important political events playeing out before our very eyes.
     
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    We agree on nothing you fool, I was joking. My sincere feelings honestly is he needs to say hey I do no want to but I am conceding the race. We had to consider avenues of contention with the voting process to ensure validity. This is especially true with tight results and results that went on for days but once these avenues of contention was exhausted, I am obligated to accept the results and will of the American people. It’s been an honor. Thanks and bye ....
     
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  16. biina

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    Republicans are hypocrites who will do anything to holdon to power. They lack even common decency.

    When they are in power, they close their eyes and do everything to push their selfish agenda through. But once they are out of favor, they go back to spewing their hypocritical BS. Please save that nonsense for your ignorant blind followers.
     
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  17. rocketsjudoka

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    I think from the progressive viewpoint supporting Biden was a compromise.
     
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    How do I indicate sarcasm/irony online?
    https://interpersonal.stackexchange.com/questions/161/how-do-i-indicate-sarcasm-irony-online

    But I'm right about this, the more the whining the more exposed the plot line. i.e. would anyone respect Rudy anymore? nope, exposed. Would anyone respect Trump's staff on Covid? nope, exposed. Does anyone think these legal challenges are the "American Way"? nope it looks silly frankly. And given the bully pulpit every obstruction attempt for the next four years is going to be called out for the hypocracies they are.

    You know what Lincoln said.
     
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    As frequently noted I am critical of the Left on many occasions but I do think that over the last 12 years there have been several compromises made by the Progressives. As noted many consider Biden a compromise candidate and that he was very much as I many moderates don't particularly like him either but he has enough history and is not so polarizing that is he was the right candidate to lead a very diverse anti-Trump coalition. The ACA was very much a compromise between Progressives who wanted a single payer system and conservative Democrats (yes at the time there still were some) to get major health care reform passed after decades of failure by Democrats.

    "Compromise" now becoming a dirty word I do blame a lot on McConnell and the GOP. I think if they hadn't run roughshod over the Senate and abused separation of powers, namely by not even giving Merrick Garland a hearing and then ramming through Barrett. For the Democrats there is good reason why many don't want to compromise with Republicans.

    One thing that is lucky for the OP though is that I think Biden is willing to make compromises with a Republican Senate. If the Democrats do take the Senate all bets are off on how a minority GOP will be treated.
     
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    Every one of Trump's legal challenges that get slapped down are not "evidence of the threat of fascism" they are completely the opposite , they evidence that our system of democracy is safe and strong , working as intended.
     
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