Why do People Want to keep Private Insurance over Govt

Right, because, you know, EVERY OTHER DEVELOPED nation that has embraced universal health care in some form has seen health go down the s***hole (so much so, that only 37 have the temerity to be ranked ahead of the United States!)

Healthcare costs in the United States are sky-high and for a system that is more or less mediocre. That's a fact. Not saying gouvernment intervention is all smiles and rainbows but it has been proven that public-private systems such as the French system are VERY efficient compared to the American model.

 

Um...this is a non-issue.

You do know about elective surgery right? Apply the concept here.

As an example, I work at a dental clinic in Canada and while essential services like root canals and teeth extraction are partially covered by the gouvernment in some form, it is to my understanding that whitening teeth for cosmetic reasons is not covered at all.

 

Ok, so why don't we go after the real culprit hear, which is the ENORMOUS MALPRACTICE INSURANCE PREMIUMS that doctors have to pay to avoid being bankrupted by frivolous lawsuits. How about TORT REFORM? You know, addressing the actual problem?

 

Get real.

Malpractice Insurance exists in other countries too and Canadian, Japanese etc. doctors are paying the toll to cover their ass. Are you seriously trying to claim that high malpractice premiums are the sole reason the American system costs twice as much as the French system, and sucks quite a few times more?

Seriously, the French system isn't even that far off the mark from the American one. A superb mix of private and public has been shown to yield results. Any businessman with half a brain would realize that and look beyond "socialist" labels. Like my modified version of Deng Xiaoping says; "black cat, white cat, whatever cat...they all catch the f****** mice."

 

This is not the problem. It never was the problem. Please provide factual evidence showing that the source of the problems with our healthcare system is ENORMOUS MALPRACTICE INSURANCE PREMIUMS.

I await the link to relevant information from a reliable source.

Until then ...

YOU ARE DISMISSED.

 

Gladly -- how about a quote from Obama's top choice for Secretary of Health and Human Services, and a world reknowned libpig: TOM DASCHLE:

http://www.ksfy.com/news/local/48062687.html

Daschle: Tort Reform Necessary in Health Care Bill

Former Sen. Tom Daschle says controlling the cost of malpractice insurance will have to be a part of the Obama administration's overhaul of the health care system.

The onetime Democratic leader in the Senate said he believes "tort reform is going to be on the table," and that it's important that all "stakeholders" in the looming debate be given a chance to be heard.

Daschle also said in an interview Monday on CBS's "The Early Show" that he thinks a significant portion of an estimated $76 billion in unnecessary annual health care costs can be attributed to doctors ordering extra tests and taking extra precautions to make sure "they aren't sued."

Daschle was President Barack Obama's first choice for secretary of health and human services, but withdrew his name in a controversy over his personal finances.
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Now I eagerly await your link that proves that a government-run healthcare system will improve medical care and lower costs in the United States.



OWNED

 

so these will not be covered? How will people pay for this without coverage?

 

Wow, a quote about a significant part of $76 billion.

Okay, let's say $60 billion.

Well, how about the whole 15.2% of American GDP being spent to prop up this mess?


In 2007, the U.S. spent $2.26 trillion on health care, or $7,439 per person.

Factoring everything in, this issue represents less then 5% of the whole pie.

Now for the link...

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_28/b4042070.htm

 

With their own money.

They're non-essential. If you want ginseng tablets and weight loss shakes, pay up with your own money the good old fashioned American way.

 

Wow, all are covered under most plans today. I guess you don't give a crap about people with ADD or severe acne.

 

I believe that I asked you to provide evidence that the lack of tort reform is the source of the problems with our healthcare system, and all that you've provided is an article about Tom Daschle stating that tort reform should be part of overhauling the healthcare system. Daschle himself fails to provide any statistical evidence at all of this assertion.

You've made the poor assumption that a "libpig" who has been bought-and-paid-for by his "donors," just as many other politicians are, would somehow resonate with me - unfortunately, I'm no more democrat than I am republican. But please continue to play partisan-pundit games and ignore the real issue.

As for links proving what you asked to be proved, there is nothing but speculation (just as there is nothing but speculation that a socialized healthcare system would somehow be worse) - while there is documented data showing that the current for-profit system is rapidly bankrupting Americans and providing inadequate care to the majority of people in the process. So we have established that the current system is wholly inadequate.

OWNED, and RE-OWNED.

 

Yeah, because you started out arguing that you didn't want to pay for their medication and now you're trying to pin me as the *******.

I had severe acne. I lived. Not exactly the same as AIDS or cancer or even pneumonia is it?

I'm not a doctor though, so I have no idea about specifics (the ADD reference for example is lost on me). However, from what I've seen in the Canadian system anyways, the gouvernment does a decent job at separating the frivolous from what is truly needed.

 

You are the guy telling people they will no longer be covered for stuff they were before you rolled out the national system.

 

Under Obama's plan nobody's coverage will change unless they want to change it. But I'd be very willing to trade acne treatment for the privileged for cancer screening for all.

 

Or are forced to change it.


Any I know you would. That is why you are a socialist.

 

Yes, because I am Obama in secret, my word is law and I will decide to deprive children of their medicine. (though it is my personal opinion that ADD is a load of crap and that we are over medicating children to their own detriment)

Private citizens are paying for the plans. Yes? In a private-public mix, those plans STILL EXIST. Now, if you don't want to pay for the plans, then fine, but don't expect the gouvernment side of the deal (i.e public universal coverage) to cover non-essential items like weight loss or acne. Which sums up to YOU, Mr. Taxpayer, not paying for acne treatments or stuff like that. Which addresses your concern and makes it immaterial.

 

An obvious lie. What happens when an employer changes and the employees are forced to change? But more importantly, the playing field will not be level b/w the government option and the private option. The private insurers will be run out of business because they don't have the power of the government's printing presses behind them. This will ultimately FORCE everyone to the government plan. So your choice will ultimately be removed.

...but that's just the practical reality -- not the 'I'm-high-on-Hopium' line of thinking...

 

Unfortunately it doesn't because in the real world, unlike the world you and BJ live in, these things will continue to be covered. You are just to ignorant to realize it. Unlike teeth whitening, ADD and acne are not considered cosmetic.

I will leave out you trying to say weight loss is cosmetic as I hope you just typed the wrong thing.

 

And that is why you are an idiot. Come up with a new bumper sticker insult. Socialists are about as popular in this country now as Republicans. Nice work.

 

Uhh take away the advantages of some to give some crap to everyone? What is your term for that ideology?