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Why do People Want to keep Private Insurance over Govt

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by pgabriel, Jun 22, 2009.

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  1. pirc1

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    You will never get enough idiots to see this, all the people in this country think is this "we have the greatest healthcare system in the world." LOL
     
  2. juicystream

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    Welcome to fantasy land. You are more optimistic about the situation then reality will bring.
     
  3. Air Langhi

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    America's pays the most for healthcare; it covers less people, and we have lower expectancy rate. People who oppose universal health care just don't want to look at the data.
     
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    So, your alternative is?
    Status quo = untenable.
     
  6. Space Ghost

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    Its always the unintended consequences that people ignore. Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security are a complete mess now. Even if it is well funded in the beginning, it will become a disaster. Do you really think doctors will want to work under the government? Of course not. Between doctors going into early retirement and nobody wanting to become a doctor, our health care will degenerate quickly. Also, the left, right and middle will always squabble on the way healthcare should be ran. As the political pendulum swings back and forth, each side will enact new legislation creating a bigger and bigger mess that we will never be able to return from.
     
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    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    And again, your alternative?
    Doctors are already bailing. 10 minutes with each patient, being told what they can and can't treat, and what methods they can use, by insurers, and astronomical piles of paperwork. Ask a few young doctors how they like their lives under this system.
     
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    Well if no one here wants to be a doctor I am sure we can import some more from else where. That is what we do in literally every other field.
     
  9. GladiatoRowdy

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    If you are injured in a horrific car wreck, shot a couple of times, or dying from knife wounds, you will want to go to Ben Taub over any other hospital in the region.
     
  10. juicystream

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    The USA is number one in responsiveness.

    The USA has the highest obesity rates in the world, and it isn't even close.

    The USA has an extremely large and diverse population compared to countries with higher life expectancy.

    Data doesn't tell us the entire story. Our quality is great, our price is not. There will be sacrifices.
     
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    I would offer choice. I hate that the system is designed to force you into an employer's healthcare plan. I'm not against a government plan. I'm actually all for a self-sustained healthcare program for the US similar the USPS, but for healthcare.
     
  12. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    this is the major road block with getting people on board imo. bunch of canadians paying for a bunch of canadians, no problem. bunch of americans paying for a bunch of different type of americans, problem. i don't know if that is what you meant

    i think you will always have the conservative crowd who just don't want government envolvement.
     
  13. juicystream

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    I'm thinking more along the lines of genetic & social differences that help create a disparity in life expectancy. The effects are hard to quantify though because they cross in so many places.

    I wouldn't be surprised though if a form of racism did effect the system.

    Certainly us in the conservative crowd hate government involvement, and whenever possible would prefer to do things privately. I think there are pros and cons to universal coverage. I ultimately will live either way, and I don't expect many changes in my life because of it.
     
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    Please elaborate. I assume you say that because they experience it more than anyone.

    10 years ago my girlfriend had no insurance and had a 103 fever so we went to Ben Taub. That is NOT the place you want to go. She was misdiagnosed three times, and nearly died. Turned out she had an abcess on her kidney.
     
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    Thanks for your answer. I hate getting forced into my employer's plan too.

    I do know a couple of people in the industry that say change will be coming, like a ton of bricks, withOUT government intervention. The change will be in your medical records, with a very possible future where you own these and take them to the care provider or insurance provider of your choice, with possible choices being split into different areas. You do one thing for GP but a whole different system for some sort of specialty care. Very interesting area: medical informatics. Of course, the people I know spouting this are running start-ups in that area, so everything smells rosy when they talk about it.
     
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    Do people equate public health insurance with doctors working for the government, because I disagree with Fatty's post but if the government is going to become the primary/only payment source for doctors there is sort of an argument to be made?

    right now it seems to me that this is a none issue because people go to hospitals they want to and I don't see how that will change. its really not like rich people/middle class go to different hospital or doctors now. rich people probably get the absolute best doctors who can pay for their own coverage. i don't see why that has to change with any public system. there

    That being said, ben taub is like it is because of the current system, its a free hospital emergency room for poor people. don't really think all our hospitals will become like ben taub.
     
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    I think that's certaily a part of it. However, lots of people already have choice - I've been on personal health insurance most of my life. Costs still are skyrocketing there too. And companies already have the freedom to choose the cheapest group plans. None of that seems to be helping to keep costs under control.
     
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    Are private medical companies in massive debt because of costs?
     
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    I would love to see where 3rd world countries are on the healthcare $$$ spent per GDP. Probably quite low. GREAT SUCCESS!
     
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