Not that he needs help because, you know - he's already declared himself the internet winner... But that's not what Bobby's arguing. His initial point, which I (mostly) agree with, is that both teams are asking roughly the same thing of their QBs. Where he screwed up was taking yet another opportunity to push his anti-QB bias by using the post as an excuse to try and drag RW down to RF's level - *this* year. And, again - he's not totally wrong; he just stepped into a mess and, rather than being gracious and humble about it, doubled down on his smug, know-it-all act and has been reduced to hurling insults in the hope it'll distract everyone from the fact he keeps railing my inability to grasp numbers while he can't discern the simple difference between number of games played. Russell Wilson *is* (somewhat) overrated. And he’s not having a terribly good year (though, it’s not a terrible year, either – and it’s still better than Fitzpatrick’s.)
it's not nearly as major as the difference between his ability as a RB and Fitz's ability as a RB.....which is why I said that was the major difference. When you look at the numbers, RW is better as a passer and there's no question about it, but he's not THAT much better as a passer. When it comes to being a RB though, he is THAT much better.
I love how you're backing into this... Again, not what you initially posted, and I have to believe, deep down, you know that. In your own words, this is how you chose to categorize it - and hey! I'll even break it down for you: Nothing in that statement screams "separation;" not when, conveniently, every time RW has the advantage it’s by a “bit.” And we further know that your point is that there truly is no separation because your very next statement is: And then, to double down... even though most sane people would label an 8-interception discrepancy - in fewer games, no less -as major separation, you even blow that off to luck. Your initial intent – all of it, including the tiresome QB-bias subtext – was plainly obvious. Don’t try and retroactively weasel your way out of this.
What's sad is that you don't even disagree with me yet you try this hard to twist things looking for an argument. It's sad. You can't argue intelligently the content of what I said, so instead you look to argue with straw men that you believe are between the lines. I've already broken this down enough times for you as simply as I possibly could, and you've already acknowledged that you don't even disagree with me so keep going if you feel like it, but this is pointless.
Horrible drafting, year after year. Yes, the Texans have hit home runs, but they simply suck at roster management and that's also true with free agency. Also, going into the season with Fitz was brainless. Botching the draft and not getting a QB. Clowney's not a bust - yet - but he's not giving his critics any reason to believe differently. Holding on to Schaub too long. The fans had figured Schaub out years before the org and that godawful contract. Keeping Kubiak at least one or two seasons longer than they should have. It all starts at the top. McNair is great at making money, but not very good at running a football team. Let's hope his son does better when he eventually takes full control.
Well there wouldn't have been any disagreement at all had he not mischaracterized what I wrote looking for something to disagree about. Just because he doesn't disagree with me, somehow didn't stop him from finding something to argue about. That's really what's so frustrating about the whole thing. His whole BS was about what he was assuming was between the lines, he didn't actually disagree with the content. In fact for the most part, he was repeating things I said in my original post as if it somehow refuted the post.
Sad listening to the Grantland NFL podcast today and hearing Barnwell say with marginally better QB/overall offensive play we could easily be 7-2 or 6-3. A team that wouldn't necessarily deserve to be in the playoffs but with the schedule we have could easily be in.
Third time, Bobby - did you know there was a games played discrepancy? There's nothing straw man about it... You either ignorantly or purposefully re-contextualized statistics that ultimately aligned with your well-established anti-QB bias; specifically, your well-known “Russell Wilson is nothing more than a game manager” take. Do you deny it exists? Do you deny that you've gone to that well over and over and over....? Again, I don’t entirely disagree with it (though I think more highly of him than you do). But I think it’s intellectually dishonest to distort facts, conveniently level the playing field (RF’s INTs, and only RF’s INTs, are unlucky) and, ta-da! Russell Wilson = Ryan Fitzpatrick.
Seriously? I've already broken this down for you Barney style a few times now. One more time. A game discrepancy is irrelevant when it comes to QB rating because it doesn't significantly change with one game due to it not being a compilation stat. The game discrepancy is irrelevant when it comes to completion percentage because it's a percentage stat, not a compiliation stat The game discrepancy is irrelevant when it comes to yards per attempt because it's not a compilation stat. The game discrepancy explains why Fitz is ahead of RW in passing yards and shows that they are very comparable in that area. The game discrepancy is relevant when it comes to the TD number, but if he stays at his current pace, that would put him at 12 TD's after 9 games which is comparable to 11 TD's after 9 games. Please use your brain and stop arguing with straw men. I never said Fitz = RW, I said that Fitz is being used in the same manner as RW.
Umm mods need to change title since they suck every year. Its like trying to isolate the sucktitude to one year doesnt really do justice to the full body of work. I blame the ignorant fans. It's all their fault.
It's hard to say. He's used as a game manager who only passes for 209 yards per game which is 31st out of 33 elegibjle QB's in the league, his passer rating is 93.1 which is 16 out of 33 in the league (league average being 89.5). There's a pretty solid case for him being called an average QB, but he's above average when it comes to limiting interceptions and his running abilities are obviously well above average. Does he look so average when it comes to him being a passer simply because of how he's being used? Who knows. This year he's throwing the ball a lot more than he ever has before and it's resulted in worse numbers so saying he's average as a passer is pretty solid IMO.
The only information I have on Mallet is that the Texans have been playing Fitzpatrick over him. I can't fathom any other reason that Fitz is out there except that Mallet has been awful in practice after this many weeks. Generally, coaches make the right decision on whom is the better player and it isn't like Fitzpatrick set a high bar for Mallet to beat.
This. Bobby either backtracks or doesn't even remember what he has said in the past. The fact is, whatever Bobby says.... the opposite is true. He claimed Clowney's motor and past wasn't an issue..... welp, it clearly is. He had the Texans going 10-6 a few weeks ago. He claimed the Texans game against the Steelers was a no brainer for the Texans. He also has compared Fitz to Russell... and actually has tried to argue that the interception difference is due to tipped passes... as if Russell doesn't have tipped passes as well. He also a week ago claimed that the Texans 2014 draft class is looking solid/promising. At this point I just want him to say the Texans suck.... because with Bobbo that probably means they run the table.
Seriously. But feel free to take your ball home anyt ime, which you've been promising to do for several pages now... Long ago noted. The issue is that the discrepancy highlights how decidedly not comparable they are in far more important statistics - and you failed to note it. In fact, you're *still* failing to note it...: And INTs... But those aren't really important, I guess.... Why, if you reference RW being a better runner, do rushing TDs not count? It's 14 TDs in 8 games v 12 TDs in 9 games. That's four more TDs over 9 games; or 28 points. Comparable? BTW, the Texans have lost four games by a combined 25 points. So... you didn't know Wilson had played 8 games? Seems pretty obvious... And, btw, for someone who now wants us to believe you never said Fitz = RW (even though we can all see previous posts - you're aware of that, right?), you do realize you used the term "comparable" five times in your initial post, yes? Floor's yours, Bobby. For reals. If I overstepped it, and read way more into it than intended... well, my apologies. But you've hit this horse sooooooooo many times previously.....
Why do you believe this? At positions where you can actually play multiple people, backups regularly beat out starters all the time, on every team all season long. I believe our own Arian Foster is an example of that. Two HoF QB's may never have seen the field if not for injuries (Brady, Warner). Coaches miss out on evaluations all the time of players at every position - not because they are necessarily missing anything, but because a big part of success is related on how you deal with real-game circumstances - something that can't be simulated in practice. I'm pretty certain Ryan Mallet sucks, but we can't be sure (and BoB can't be sure) until he gets a chance to demonstrate that in real live game action. If you're going to nowhere with Fitz, you should at least try someone else, whether it's Mallett or Savage. Even if there's only a small upside, there is zero downside unless you believe Fitz might actually lead this team into the playoffs.
More important than QB rating, yards per game, yards per attempt, and completion percentage? Really? That's where you want to go with this? Now you're just being intentionally foolish because I'm pretty sure I've mentioned that every post since the very first one.....once again looking for arguments that aren't there. Because that's a given.....you know like I pointed out in my very first post. Why would I compare that which isn't comparable that I pointed out wasn't comparable? What IS comparable is their roles with the team when it comes to passing the ball. You claimed to have understood that at one point, did you forget? Again, we aren't comparing the overall players, we are comparing their roles as passers on their respective teams. Try to keep up. I did, and I've pointed out to you several times now why that's irrelevant to the discussion. Try to keep up. Because I'm comparing their roles as passers on their respective teams. Fitz's role as a passer on the Texans is the same as RW's role as a passer on the Seahawks, note how that's not saying Fitz = RW. All I ask is that you stick to what is said rather than looking for excuses to argue and inventing subtext in your head.
