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Why did we trade for Martin again?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by BigPun662, Mar 4, 2010.

  1. OremLK

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    Brooks makes at least one excellent pass every game, and quite a few serviceable ones. It's pretty easy to ignore all the things he does right and just focus on the bad ones. But it makes you an idiot and a bad Rockets fan when you do so.
     
  2. kings faithful

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    Hey, I'm a kings fan if you can't tell from the name. Anyways, I was thinking I should help you guys with a little misconception about Kevin Martin. I see some of you saying that he should be taking the final shot and what not, and not Brooks. False... What you traded for was a 20-30 pt scorer who will hit shots and get to the line, for 3 quarters... when the fourth hits he disappears. In fact I've seen him on numerous occasions get 20 points throughout 3 quarters only to hit 1 basket in the fourth. Martin is not a game changer. I dont think I've ever seen him "take over" the 4th quarter, which is something a player of his scoring ability should be able to do often. In fact he seems to do the opposite. Despite a 90% ft percentage his "last minute FT%" probably drops into the 60-70%'s. He also has an extremely hard time getting a decent shot off if one at all. A perfect example of what I'm talking about is when he had the ball at the end of the first and completely failed to do anything with it and time ran out. Even if he does manage to get a shot off, he tries to pick up fouls on game winning/tieing shots instead of actually trying to get a good shot resulting in a loss. He probably hit 3 game winning shots in his entire Sacramento career. As the main guy for the majority of it, that's pretty pathetic. It seems like I'm hating on the guy, but I'm just trying to let you guys know what to expect. I don't blame him for not being "the man" in Sacramento because he just isn't and no matter how much we relied on him as our best player nothing would change that. He is a great offensive player and can single handedly keep you in games, but he does not win them for you. Some players like to take the first 3 quarters off then explode in the 4th... thats the kind of player that Kevin needs to be paired with because then you get solid scoring throughout the entire game. In fact Landry and K-Mart together would probably have been a perfect fit ironically...

    You guys are going to be ballin' once you get Brooks, K-Mart, Ariza, Scola, and Yao all on the court at once. Young and ridiculously exciting team...

    I can't wait til you guys come to Sacramento so we can give K-Mart some love like you guys gave Landry. He will probably make me look stupid by hitting the game winning shot on us... just watch.
     
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  3. BucMan55

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    Dangit, the Rockets had a guy like that. Very good at getting the offense going. Was usually in the right spot and doing what he was supposed to be doing.


    We traded him at the deadline last year.

    The offense Adelman runs does not need a pass-first PG. Bibby's APG went DOWN when he went to the Kings because everyone was involved in the offense. Heck, just last week Chuck Hayes had 8 assists! Ariza has flirted with triple doubles. Everyone cuts, everyone passes, everyone shoots(well, maybe not Chuck).
     
  4. kayc

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    really? cuz he passes a lot... dont make it seem like AB cant shoot. Are team is just small we dont have no height thats the only thing we are missing. Guys are tired ..They have to play double to make up for lack of size. Brooks is like the best. who plays better than him against LA? I wih he took more shots
     
  5. kayc

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    Exactly what i've said. Martin is a great player, but he plays the foul game instead of just shooting the ball, thats ok to a certain extent. but players figure that out when its crunch time and tend to let players get off a shot and they end up blowing a perfectly open shot.
     
  6. kayc

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    I agree. AB is the best player to me on the team. Its not his fault that the rockets are not winning. C'mon imagine the team w/o him "um yea i cant either" cuz their wouldnt be one. AB is one of the coldest players out there. This dude has to play double of everyone else. Can't expect him to make all the shots but i rather him take them than anyone else. Its not like we have landry anymore.
     
  7. Al Capone

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    So by this logic, shouldnt the entire NBA just "know" not to leave Martin open, rendering hin useless as long as he's a Rocket? :rolleyes:




    Or is Aaron just a ballhog
     
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    I don't know about that, but I did see Aaron and Kevin on the sidelines drawing the play up in the sand. Martin threw up his arms in disgust as the huddle broke. Oh, wait. :rolleyes:
     
  9. Al Capone

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    Very insightful post. +1
     
  10. W-Mac

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    Prior to getting Martin, who else would you have wanted to take to last shot?
     
  11. DaDakota

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    The open man...I have no issue with anyone taking an open shot....well...maybe Chuck Hayes or Jeffries, but the rest...if you are open...take it.

    DD
     
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    the fact that so many numbskulls in the GARM can't wrap their head around the fact that the reason brooks "hasn't been passing the ball" this year is that at any given time he is the best scoring option on the floor. martin changes that, but to think that the team would be in synch after only a couple of games is ridiculous.
     
  13. alverwi

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    Not even close to being true. Where are you getting this informationAs you can see from the link, his "clutch time" FT % is 84%. That's a hell of a lot better than 60-70%
    http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT10.HTM
     
  14. J-Wolf

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    Parker is a scoring PG, but not a "shoot-first" PG. He scores at will on a one-man fast break mission or penetration, but not a good shooter at all. If a typical half court offense, he will just dribble and pass it Manu or Duncan.


    The ideal "past-first PG with unbelievable court vision" should have strong defense, such as D Will. Jose is playing behind a shoot-first PG because of his weakness if defense. Also, if you watch Raptor games, in most late game situations, Jose is their PG, while Jack is there SG.
     
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    i would LOVE to see you prove this. hell, i dare you to prove it.
     
  16. kings faithful

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    Were talking about different things though. No doubt Kevin Martin can hit free throws that matter... but not when they matter most. For instance if your down 5 points with 3 minutes left he'll hit them for sure. If your down by 1 point or up by 1 point with 10 seconds left in the game he is going to miss at least 1. That's how I feel, and unless a change of teams turns him into a complete different player, you will feel the same. The whole point of him going to another team was so that he didn't have to be "the man". Ariza or Yao has to be that guy on your team. Do not count on Martin to do that or you will be dissapointed in the trade. Expect him to give you a chance going into the 4th so your stars can put it away, then you will see the real value of what you acquired. That's what was so frustrating about him being on the Kings. We would be in games alot going into crunch time but we could NEVER put the game away because we didn't have anyone who could do that kind of thing. Its the reason why we were the worst team in the league last year. Again, I'm not hating on the guy, we know he is a potent scorer, I'm just telling you what he isn't. In Kings land we are all going to miss his "good guy" personality... that was what made letting him go real hard. He is like our child...
     
  17. chris5

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    WHO in the hell is this guy you are talking about that we traded at the deadline LAST year?? I am trying to figure out what you are talking about...
     
  18. BucMan55

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    Surely you can't be serious.
     

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