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Why did we trade for Martin again?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by BigPun662, Mar 4, 2010.

  1. DUHK

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    +1! I totally agree. People really complain about assists and stuff, but a lot of the times Aaron breaks down the defense, passes the ball, and they cant make it, which means he doesn't get an assist nor do we get any points on the board. So then he is the one that has to score and people complain. We got Martin and after the first couple of games, I was really relieved. Now Brooks doesn't have to do all the scoring and you can even tell from watching that now he looks like a better playmaker because the assists he gives actually counts.

    They just had a bad game yesterday. Both him and Martin. Even though I agree with someone who mentioned we didn't play with intensity, it doesn't help that Sac got some lucky bounces (even when we got the rebound, it gets knocked out of bounds somehow).

    AB was open for the last shot and he took it. If Martin was open, I would love for him to take it as well.
     
  2. killtaker

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    1) Brooks got free and had a great open look.
    2) Brooks is a 40% 3pt shooter.

    The play was fine.

    We lost the game in the previous 47 minutes with all the 2nd chance pts and offensive rebs allowed.
     
  3. DUHK

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    My butt really clenches every time I see Battier open in the corner for a three and Martin or AB passes him the ball for the shot. All I can do is pray.

    Chase seems to knock a lot of those open threes down, which is comforting.
     
  4. J-Wolf

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    Tony Parker is a shoot-first PG? Are you serious? Who do you see him gets 20+ shots? He almost only shoots when he is on a one-man fast break mission or he is so wide open and it's funny to pass on the shot.
     
  5. da_juice

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    ESPN ranked the best SFs(1-60) and Chase was ranked 22, higher than Trevor(ranked around 40) and battier(somewhere under 50)
     
  6. charlieaustin

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    He may "seem to" but Battier is making 36.4% while Chase is making 35.8% so relax your butt a little. Both aren't bad percentages. Now Trevor's 31.8% is what would make me clinch.
     
  7. crocktees

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    Exactly. Martin managed to shoot 8 ft last night, should have been 15 the way the game went. Have no problem with AB trying to step up when nobody else seemed interested.
     
  8. tinman

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    Sam Cassell, arguably one of the best scoring PGs of all time, said it took him 5 years to become a decent PG in the NBA.

    I also note that Brooks played too many minutes, we miss Lowry.
     
  9. BucketsorBricks

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    is correct. Martin just didn't look like he wanted the ball at all lastnight. There were times where he was just standing in the corner like he did his first game. I understand the open 3, but i saw plenty of times where he had a good chance on making some cuts towards the basket, and even when he did try and score the aggressiveness was not there. Everything seemed like it was a forced jumper with no hard drives to the basket like he's known for. We can't use the (he was guarded by his ex teammates) as an excuse. Sure, I can see how that could effect him, but if that was the case how do you explain landry's scoring that same night. I honestly think he was a little intimidated lastnight, and i think it was hurting his confidence. Ariza kind of did the samething with the lakers. I expect him to comeback strong next game.
     
  10. choujie

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    The main reason we above 0.500 is we had a supurb bench.

    Nobody is immune from criticize. Yao was bashed more than AB if you remember.

    In adelman's system, a true PG wouldn't hurt either, see Lowry. RA hasn't got one doesn't mean RA doesn't need one.

    It doesn't matter if Martin is good off the dribble or not, more plays need to be run for him. He's the most efficient scorer now.

    Agree with the rest of your post. I have no problem for AB to take most shots over Martin if he's open.
     
  11. charlieaustin

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    ..and Sam wasn't one to pass the ball much either early in his career. One, if not the main, reason we decided he could be traded because he was too selfish. It made for some good scoring off the bench though which is why I would have Brooks (not to start the debate again but...) coming off the bench and Lowry starting.
     
  12. BigPun662

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    Historically, how many 5'10" pg's are successful? Not a long list.
     
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    Yet we are missing 2 of what would be the top 7 or 8 so that bench is depleted.
     
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    How? He averages 20ppg and can get teams in foul trouble.
     
  15. RV6

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    that's like asking how many Mexicans have been succesful in the NBA. There isnt many because many dont make it to the NBA to begin with. Even if all who made it did well the list would be short.

    For either to make it to the NBA it says a lot about that individual player. how many 5'10 pgs with speed, handles, and a jumper have made it? That's the true question. Ford has it all but the shot, which has always been his problem. Boykins doesnt have the ability to use his handles to cut through defenses. AI on the other hand......Brooks has everything AI has, except for the ability to draw fouls/take contact and the swagger. That's the difference between Brooks scoring 20-25ppg and 25-30 ppg.
     
  16. T-Slack

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    I have never seen Brooks do a pass out when its the last or next to last possession of the game. I know he has a low iq and he's trying to get a monster contract in another year but damn, he has team mates. Even T-Mac passes out from time to time.
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  17. J-Wood

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    Well Martin only had 14 points last night and he wasnt shooting the ball well at all. In a situation like that you go with who has the hot hand and although brooks had only made 2 from long range, he was still shooting the ball better than Martin. Besides he was the open man, and you take what the defense gives you.

    If we had only needed 2 points, martin probably would have been a better option driving the ball to the basket and getting to the line. But again, in this situation, it really should matter what your position is, I feel as though whoever has had the hot hand throughout the game needs to take the shot and last night that was Brooks.

    Please remember that although he is a PG, he is still relied upon to score, I am not sure if you have noticed but when Brooks doesnt look for his shot, we dont win games. We have seen what happens when they both score and thats what we need more of.
     
  18. choujie

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    That's why we lost 5 of last 7. It also shows AB may not be the main reason for team's earlier success.
     
  19. anchel

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    In fact it's the opposite.
     
  20. BucMan55

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    Check the record for when he scores 20+ points. J-Wood is correct.
     

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