it was 4 years ago. we weren't going to build the team around him or anything. if he was a star, ok. but he's a decent role players on a team that currently makes every role player it has look about twice as good as they actually are. you have decent role players and you usually trade them or move them or can't keep them forever or accidentally make the wrong call on them because you have to make that call 5 times a year and are bound to pick the wrong 6th or 7th man option once in a while. as i've mentioned elsewhere, the rockets have had a ton of decent/good role players on their team in recent years (and that's to their credit). unless the roster limit goes to 30 and the cap goes to $200M, they can't all still be on the team. sometimes you mess up, sometimes you need the cap room or flexibility, sometimes they want a big contract, sometimes you need a different player that fits the plan better.
Right and Toney Douglas did. So with TD backing up Lin, Morey kept min salary third-stringer Machado over Livingston.
Probably. Didn't we also cut Thornton this season to save luxury tax money? We clearly didn't let him go because we didn't need outside shooting. Morey's made plenty of boneheaded decisions as GM, but he seems to almost get off on screwing us over at the PG position. Think about who he's had on this team that he's gotten rid of. Brooks, Lowry, Dragic, Livingston, Lin, Canaan. Now I understand we can't view all of these moves in a vacuum. Brooks got us Dragic. Lowry got us a pick that was used to get Harden. Lin was moved so we could go after Bosh and other big name FAs. And so on and so forth. My point simply is that we desperately need playmakers on this team and we're embarrassingly thin at the PG spot, yet Morey never tries to hang onto any decent player at that position. We sure could've used Brooks in 2014 against the Blazers when Bev was injured. We could've used Canaan in 2015 when Bev was again injured and we had to rely on Terry and Pepperoni at PG in the playoffs. But Morey dealt them for seemingly no reason.
OMG..... How does this seriously keep on getting brought up and we get the same idiots b****ing and complaining about the org being cheap, and how Daryl misses on talent, etc. Do the morons on this thread have no idea about this thing called TIMING!!! Shaun Livingston was cut the day of the Harden extension. Do you not think that those two events had nothing to do with each other? In order for the Rockets to take on the salary that they acquired in the OKC/Harden trade, and extend Harden, they had to cut some salary and Livingston was a victim of his contract having only 1 mil guaranteed. Livingston was never going to be a Rockets because of this reason however he was good enough in the preseason to warrant the Rockets making other drastic cost cutting moves (at the expense of good rotation players) to make room for Livingston. However they had to do what they had to do, and they had to cut costs, and the 2nd or 3rd string PG was where the salary had to be cut. So blame the Harden trade. If you think the Harden trade was less important than keeping Livingston than make that case, but just F-ing stop with this. You people have access to Basketballreference, and the internet. You people should know better. So just stop with the Livingston b****ing unless you are willing to take on arguing against the Harden trade. It shows the lack of intelligence or the laziness to either pay attention to something I've said three or four times now, or something you could easily look up on the internet.
thornton shot worse than our team average on 3's. he wasn't that great at shooting. exactly. the backup becomes better than the starter and the starter gets disgruntled. you don't just hang on to the former starter if he's not going to be happy and/or wants a contract. or you need cap room. or guys like canaan and thornton just aren't that good. you have to maximize what you are doing. just keeping someone to make the PG position slightly stronger if it weakens some other position even more isn't what you should do. we had beverley and lin. that's two solid point guards. you can't be 3 deep everywhere. they are all similarly productive players. i don't see much difference in either option.
It was because when Darrel Maury punched Shaun Livingston into his analytical model and spreadsheet, results were: 1. Deadly mid range shooter 2. High basketball IQ 3. Can post up other PG's Those results did not watch Murray needs 1. No mid range shooting, must have 3 ball range 2. Too high of a basketball IQ compared to the others in the roster 3. Doesn't want PG's posting up because post up means less jacking of 3's
Because he was not in this form, an injury liability, and we needed room for the legendary Scott Machado.
Also this is yet another case where you can't just blame Morey for his lack of talent insight. I guarantee you that once the Harden trade was processed, Morey and co. knew that Livingston was going to have to get waived, and they probably called every team twice to try and retrade him. If likely all other 29 teams refused to trade for him, why is Morey the only GM being scrutinized? John Hammond, one of the leagues most highly regarded GM's... traded Livingston to the Rockets, move back in the draft, also gave up Leuer (a rotation player) for .... Sam Dalembert.... So yeah Morey can't be the only GM scrutinized for missing on letting Livingston go. How valuable would Livingston be on the Bucks now??? The Hammond/Bucks that also essentially gave up the Lakers first rounder for MCW.
Well I'll be damned. This team actually had players who could shoot the three! Going into next season, I'd take that roster over the one the Rockets currently have. Minus Jones and White of course.
Yeah, but it also just happens, some players develop later and there's nothing you can do about...and anyway nobody is perfect, a lot of people are b****ing about Morey cause he didn't keep Livingston, but other top gm's made mistakes...Warriors traded Bazemore for Steve Blake, the Spurs traded us Scola for Spanoulis, just saying...
We released him because we had too many guaranteed contracts on roster. At that time, Jeremy Lin and Toney Douglas were our point guards...it came down to Shaun Livingston (contract would have been guaranteed) or Scott Machado (non-guaranteed contract)...so Morey went the cheap route = Machado
LOL, 9 other NBA teams, including at least 3 after Houston, have released/gotten rid of Livingston at some point in his career. Washington even did it twice. If only they had bided their time they woudl be reaping the rewards of his sweet, sweet 5 ppg playoff performance last year.
How is this a thread? Here is Livingston's knee injury: <iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/MHFs4a-Bb-c" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Until Kevin Ware, that was considered the gold standard for in-game basketball injuries. People thought his career was over and he was cut by a number of teams during his comeback. Where he is now is a testament to his work ethic and the Golden State staff.
Morey gets credit for giving players like Whiteside, Lin (pre-NY), Livingston, Ish Smith, Carroll, etc... chances here. We don't know the full circumstances as to why those players didn't work out, but he obviously saw something and gave them an opportunity to make the roster. He goes to work and finds talent. We're complaining about players not being extended here, other fans don't get to complain about things like this because their GM's aren't bringing in this caliber of talent on a regular basis, like Morey has.
Who CARES if other teams make mistakes? How does that make our team making the mistakes better? Unreal! Morey has consistently let quality PG's go - starting PGs on playoff teams - we continually flip through quality NBA players, and let the good role players go because we don't want to pay them. That is 100% the problem - there are so many X Rockets out there that are BETTER than the ones currently on the team at their positions. It is amazing to me that people can't see that this Merry Go Round approach is killing the team's growth. And when we DO decide to sign role players, we don't get the Livingstons of the world...oh no, we go after the BREWERS of the world. Yet for some reason, the Moreyites can't hold their hero accountable. Yippee!! DD
The only way to move forward is to remain in place and stop walking down the road - that is all I am saying DD
