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Why Did We Even Trade for James Posey If We Are Never Going to Play Him?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Manny Ramirez, Dec 21, 2002.

  1. codell

    codell Member

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    Rocketfat,

    First, saying that the Rockets of 1995 were 7-3 without Hakeem has no relevance when trying to argue the fact that we are winning this season because of Yao. Please tell me how the 1995 Rockets 7-3 record without Hakeem proves that Yao is the reason why we are winning this year? :confused:

    Second, if you honestly and truely think that Yao, and not our defense, is the reason why we are winning this year, then you obviously havent watched the games very closely. Go look at our defensive stats this year compared to last year or the year before. Who installed the zone that we play? Rudy T. :D

    Yao has indeed been a contributing factor this year. So has Francis, so has Mobley etc, etc, etc........ D has been our bread and butter this year, hands down.

    Last, lets talking about sounding pathetic:

    Juding by all these statements, which are EXACT quotes that came from you, it is very obvious that you hate Rudy and will refuse to ever give him credit for anything.

    And for the record, before you accuse me of being a Rudy lover and refusing to critisize him, I do not feel Rudy is the best coach in the league nor do I feel he is the worst coach in this league. I do feel his is an above average coach (top 10 in the league IMO) who has his weaknesses and that there are indeed better coaches in the league than him.

    Overall, I cant complain with the decisions he has made this year with regards to personnel and playing time. He has brought this team along nicely.

    Keep up the good work Coach T.! :D
     
  2. SLA

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    Okay.
    Our defense has been great and we aren't the best team in scoring but we are one of the best teams in defense now. That is a great factor...but another reason we are winning now has to be Yao. You can't say he hasn't done crap because he has won games for us along with defense.


    And OMG. This thread is still going on. Jebus! Please lock it up.


    James Posey will get his playing time as the season goes on and Joaquin Hawkins will lose his playin time while Bostjan Nachbar's playing time will remain the same.

    Rudy Tomjanovich is a good coach overall. I agree. He isn't the best coach in the NBA, but he is certainly not the worst.

    Rocketfat? Nice name.
     
  3. Red Chocolate

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    This thread has gotten a little bit off the topic, but that's okay. As for Posey, I agree that he probably should have seen more time in the past two games, but it's a forgettable mistake at the worst.

    I, personally, am not a big fan of either Glen Rice or Terrence Morris, as I'm sure the majority of the posters here are. Rice has done a fairly good job of hitting the 3 point shot this year (around 40%), but his defense and rebounding is a potential concern to me. In the Atlanta game, he gave Glenn Robinson way too many open 3 point looks, although I was not sure if that was a product of the zone defense, or just bad defense by Rice. Regardless, I think that the eventual verdict will be that Glen Rice will either get injured, or spend more time riding the bench. Terrence Morris will probably not see much time this year, as well.

    I believe that the Rockets plan is for Posey to become an INTEGRAL part of their team very soon. I assume that within a month or less, he will be playing 30+ minutes per game, simply because he makes up on defense, rebounding, talent, and hustle for what Rice and Morris lack.

    Rudy is not being stupid, it's just his style, and although I disagree with it somewhat, I don't think not playing Posey is why we lost to Minnesota. However, Posey will help us finish off a lot of those fast breaks that the rest of our guys have trouble with sometimes, and he will make an impact, so give him and the coaching staff a little bit of time to adjust.
     
  4. SLA

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    I like!

    You are right. Glen Rice is a captain, but he is too old. He can't handle the fast guys. He can still hit the 3's...but he's just too old. He will be a good veteran who will provide leadership.
    Terence Morris...jebus!
    James Posey will be a big part of the Rockets. Unless he does horrible, we will probably resign him.
    Bostjan Nachbar will hopefully be a helpful role player in the future as well.

    I agree. It's just Rudy's "style"! Oh my god. I just watched the Rockets lose in Game 6 of the 1997 Western Conference Finals against the Utah Jazz. That's terrible.

    This thread has gotten a little bit off the topic, but that's okay.
     
  5. rocketfat

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    hey codell.....thanks for organizing all of my OPINIONS in a nice, concise list. i appreciate it. your posts are good for something i guess. here is the last thing i'll waste my time saying to you: yes, the defense has been great, and a big factor.....guess what....Yao Ming plays on the defensive end of the court also. Think that may have anything to do with it?

    SLA and RedChocolate...i agree. He isn't the best coach, he isn't the worst coach, and I love the guy as a person and for all he's done for the team and city, but damn....he is making some frustrating and questionable decisions this year! I guess I would just like to see this team in action under different circumstances, such as without Glen Rice playing 30 minutes/game, with Boki getting a CHANCE, and with as little of Moochie as possible.
     
  6. SLA

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    Oh yeah! I almost forgot about that. The Rockets' defense is much better when Yao is on the court. The opposing team is intimidated and stay out of the center. They may challenge him at first and get stuffed. But then they drive and always pass out. I love watching that. Eddie Griffin is fabulous on defense too.

    Yes! More Boki!

    No Moochie?!?!? :( At least 5 minutes. :)
     
  7. codell

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    rocketfat,

    Yao has actually been up and down defensively. The strength of our D is the matchup zone as a whole, it was working before Yao was playing major minutes, and its working now with him starting.

    Yao actually gets caught out of position from time to time on D and loses track of his assignments. If you notice, there are many instances where his teamates move him into position or point out where he should be on the court. This has been well documented on this board. There are several posters on here who have an astute eye for defensive detail and every single one says the same thing.

    Yao's block shots are nice, but he has a ways to go defensively. I would hold off on calling him the anchor of our D for the time being. If credit for our zone D should go to any player, it should be KT, Hawkins and Mobley (wing players, which are crucial to a zone) :D
     
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    rocketfat,

    Here are some cool stats for you to digest.

    []bFirst 10 games:[/b]

    PPG Allowed by Team

    89.1

    Minutes played by Yao

    17.3

    Last 16 games (since Yao was promoted to starter):

    PPG Allowed by Team

    89

    Minutes played by Yao

    31.1

    Conclusion: Yao has not been the factor you think he has been with regards to our defensive success. (yes he has contributed nicely):D
     
  9. Free Agent

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    Well...he finally got some minutes tonight and put up decent numbers. He's only had one day of practice. I'll take it.
     
  10. SLA

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    He played much more tonight and did good. But the Rocket screwed up anyways.
     
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    9 minutes. 3-4 FG Finished with 6pts.
     
  12. Arnel

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    hmm,, James will get his time,, he had 16 minutes last night, so that's going up, Rudy T is a good coach, no matter what people say, I wanna see Rudy coach us to more rings, and I have a good feeling that it's going to happen, lates..
     
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    Actually he had 9 minutes, but it appears from the stats he shot well(I didn't see the game). Unfortunately he had 3 fouls, which I assume were garbage time fouls where we were trying to put them at the line.

    For those who think he shouldn't be starting, how can I put it delicately....you don't have a friggin clue! No way in hell should a 38 year old Rice who is now a mediocre shooter and a poor defender be starting over a much younger and more athletic player who is a much better defender and at this point has similar(at worst) offesive skills. There is no arguing that Posey will put up better numbers and play much better defense with Rice's minutes. Anyone that believes Rice deserves to start is only lying to themselves.
     

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