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Why Did We Even Trade for James Posey If We Are Never Going to Play Him?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Manny Ramirez, Dec 21, 2002.

  1. Old Man Rock

    Old Man Rock Contributing Member

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    It is a joke that you think you know what's better for the team than Rudy!
     
  2. derrock

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    Did we have some sort of obligation to play Kenny when he was here? Was his presence on Rudy that powerful? I mean, did Rudy want to bench Kenny but Kenny's "puppy-dog eyes" just made it hard for Rudy to cut those minutes? If that's the case with Rudy, he really has to go.

    And why trade your 3-man deep PF spot to create a 4-man deep SF spot? Especially when one of the remaining PFs (Taylor) is coming off a major injury. And trade Kenny so you can experiment putting TMo at power forward. Now Rudy really has to go!!

    Posey is here to be a significant contributor to the 3 spot and to spell Mobley from time-to-time. Why it hasn't happened yet? Only Rudy knows.
     
  3. Manny Ramirez

    Manny Ramirez The Music Man

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    Gee, great response.:rolleyes:

    How can I argue that?

    Look, I'll tell you one thing, Old Man, I would have the balls to make some decisions on that team. I wouldn't worry about hurting people's egos or feelings - I would worry more about winning ballgames. So, what in the hell is wrong with that? Huh?
     
  4. krosfyah

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    Everybody has different styles. There is no definitive answer as to which one is right and it is easy to judge from the outside. I see your point but here's the way I see the flipside of your argument.

    Rudy would prefer to preserve team chemistry with the idea that it is just as much a determining factor in W/L's as being a hard a$$ by ripping people in and out based solely on their play.

    The idea that the long term benefits of respecting emotions, an unvoidable trait of ALL people, is more important.

    As such, it is a risk putting in Posey because you don't know the outcome. So if Posey gets in there and stinks it up, then you may irreversably damage the team by pissing off the everybody.

    The conservative approach is hold off until he earns his way on the floor. In the meantime, its not as if Posey is going to step in and immediately make a huge difference, especially since he doesn't know the system, so we not really missing all that much. Why risk it?
     
  5. derrock

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    We did beat Indiana and Atlanta pretty soundly without Posey. Maybe for the Minnesota game, Rudy thought, "Why mess with a good thing."
     
  6. ymc

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    Amen Brother you a da man Lardboy

    My guess is Rudy wants to bring Posey along slow, playing the Shandon role is tough, rumour has it Steve hasn't nailed the Posey wave off in training yet. ;)
     
  9. t4651965

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    Posey will be resigned.

    Why would the Rockets trade KT and a 2nd round draft pick to let Posey walk? If the Rockets just wanted to free up time for MoT, burning a draft pick is not the way to do it. Rudy and CD would never do something so stupid.
     
  10. Dr of Dunk

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    Yeah, while you're there, see how many times Francis has missed a triple double by only a couple of rebs or assists.
     
  11. ymc

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    That's not my point. I just want to show Posey is really a decent player that deserves to start in front of Rice and TMo.
     
  12. TECH

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    Kenny Thomas doesn't need to know the system, all he knows is his own system-iso. KT is likely a bigger impact for his new team from the start, than Posey is for us.
     
  13. rocketfan83

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    Posey has to play more bottom line. Kenny was a key part of this team, hes gone if this is how Posey is going to be used I dont like the trade. But Posey is going to get worked in they're eventually. # 55 whats up with that?
     
  14. Darrinlane

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    Posey had a triple double because Denver absolutely SUCKS. Someone has to get the rebounds.(and points by the way) The only reason Drexler started immediately is that Mad Max had just gone into the stands to attack a fan and was suspended. He is also one of the 50 greatest players of all time. I don't think that Posey will ever be considered for top 50. Leave Rudy alone. He won Houstons only 2 championships. He rebuilt a new team from scratch( CD deserves credit here too) and has us poised for the playoffs. I don't even remember the last time a coach won a chapmionship and was able to dismantle and rebuild a team into another soon 2 be championship contender(bad grammer...I know). They usually bail and find another promising team( Phil Jackson/Pat Riley)
     
  15. barbourdg

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    Its amazing how many excuses some people on this board come up for Rudy's coaching.

    Fact of the matter is that Rudy would rather give the backup SF minutes to Moochie. And for those thinking Posey is only here til the end of the season, you need to go see a shrink! We could of traded KT for a 1st round pick next season (since we lose ours). Why trade him for somebody that is goling to leave at seasons end.

    Sad thing Manny, is that Posey might just end up at the end of the bench (in front of Nachbar) for quite some time. I think Nachbar is more then ready for some minutes, but Rudy cannot see past the small guard lineups.
     
  16. Lil Francis

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    I would put anybody out there over T-Mo. He couldn't hit back to back outside shots if his life was on the line. I would like to see he and Cory Maggette have a shooting contest.
     
  17. hatershaker

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    Okay, Rudy is not an idiot. He will see Poseys capabilities after a few practices. You cannot just throw a new guy (young vet or not) and expect anything extraordinary to happen. Rice has been doing a decent job (for an old man) at knocking down the outside shot, so you stick with whats been working.

    Posey will shut down Rice in practice for a couple days and he'll be on the first squad. Rudy just has to be certain that he knows what is going on.:cool:
     
  18. hatershaker

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    And as for stopping BigDog in the first quarter the other night, my friends no player in the league could have done anything to stop him. He's 6-9 and shoots the ball from well above his head, besides that hes automatic when in rhythm. When a guy knocks em down like that, you just shake your head and try to make him play defense (or hurt his back, whichever).
     
  19. basketball

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    I think the reason that we haven't seen Posey much is because he had not go through some practices with the team. I think that is the way Rudy play his players. Remember when Cato came back Rudy didn't play him right away until he had some practices under his belt (even though he already know the system). The same with Cutino when he came back. I think after Posey had some practices with the team, we will see Posey starting to play significant minutes. I think Rudy does realize that Posey is a significant upgrade from what we have now from our second unit. We think that this team is deep but when our second unit come in there is a significant drop off as far as scoring is concern. May be that why either Francis or Mobley keep shooting (well they like to shoot anyway) when they play with the second unit because there is no other consistent scoring option.
     
  20. jxu777

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    It is a joke that Doug Collins was fired and the Bulls went to Tiffany six times since.

    It is a joke that Popovic fired his head coach and named himself the head coach.

    It is a joke that X.Y was fired and the Lakers went to parade three times since.

    It is a joke that coaches can be fired in professional spports.

    It is a joke that Rudy has been a head coach only for 12 years.

    It is a joke that only one team can win a game.

    If you have never played a team sport at a serious level, you don't know a breed of beasts called coaches. You should at least listen and hush. The 20:80 rule is also applied to coaches, no exception.
     

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