Why did Carroll Dawson trade Rudy Gay for Battier???????

Not unless Durant and Westbrook only have 4 more years left before they deteriorate.

 

You are right. Who could've forgotten the amazing run by the USA basketball team in the 2010 Olympics that took the world by storm? I am really stupid for forgetting.

And what's the big deal with a call from Colangelo anyway?

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Value does not equal production. Whenever somebody trades for someone he's thinking he's getting more value in return than what he gave out. When we traded Aaron Brooks for Dragic Phoenix thought Aaron Brooks was more valuable, how did that work out for them?

What Rudy Gay has is "perceived value", people think he's some amazing player. If you analyze it properly you'll see he's a poor man's Melo but makes just as much as he does. Melo alone being worth the max is debatable, but a homeless man's version of him?

 

BTW Shane Battier is a top 4 pick. So if all you care about is "we traded Lottery pick for role player?!?" Battier is a higher lottery pick than Gay.

 

The point still stands, though. The Rockets would love for some of their players to have that kind of perceived value even if in truth they aren't contributing much to the team.

But we don't know what kind of player Rudy Gay would have become playing in Houston because the circumstances would have been very different compared to Memphis (much better coaching, for one, but also less opportunity to pile up empty stats). We don't know if Gay's stock around the league would have been the same, but you'd have to think he'd be a much better player by now than Shane Battier. Its totally reasonable to think we'd be in a more favorable rebuilding position.

 

We can't assume that just because he averages more rebounds, that would have made a difference in team rebounding. The Rockets believed Shane helped team rebounding even without collecting the rebounds himself. And there is a fair amount of evidence that shows individual rebounding doesn't lead to improved team rebounding in many cases.

 

Of course, when you trade a prospect born in 1986 for a player born in 1978, you'd expect that as of the year 2011 or 2012, the older guy, who would be 33/34 years old and who you know is an excellent defender and role player but not a star, would not have a ton of trade value at that age.

The point of the trade wasn't to have the best trade piece in 2011 or 2012, it's to have a guy who performs for you from 2006 to 2011. The Rockets got 5 years of Shane Battier, some 50-win seasons despite the absence of their stars, and that was what they bargained for. In exchange, they gave up the 8th overall pick, and took the risk that the player drafted would turn into something move valuable than Battier either for his team or on the trade market. It's the kind of risk you take in any trade, especially those involving draft picks.

In the end, if the question is whether I'd like to have Rudy Gay under contract as an asset now? Sure, I do. On the other hand, I am not that broken up about Rudy Gay because he's really just another one of those B+ players, which Morey has shown he can find and accumulate and not really an A player that this team is searching for.

I suppose he might be thrown in as part of "package of assets" when Morey attempts to trade for an "A Player." However, I am not sure how valuable he is now as an asset, given his max contract and not-quite max performance.

 

I still don't see why people are complaining bc we only drafted him for Memphis. If it was not for the trade we were not going to draft him. But whatevs, this is clutchfans where logic does not exist.

 

Gasol, Aldridge, Westbrook are definitely better than Gay. So they can't all be B+ players.

 

That's a ridiculous categorization. All of those guys are perennial all stars and top 5 at their position, they're A players. Lowry is also an A player unless the last 11 months have been a fluke.

 

Really? I think we saw in Memphis last year the kind of difference Battier makes.

 

Then the belief is suspect because we got outrebounded by the Jazz whose PFs were undersized and whose Center plays away from the basket.

 

how is the belief suspect?

the belief is that he helped by boxing out his man, therefore making it 4 on 4 at worst, and not 5 on 4. That doesn't mean his teammates become great rebounders. They still have to box out their own man.

 

Well, you're wrong if you think the Jazz weren't a good rebounding team. Their motion offense was designed, in part, to put them in good position to crash the offensive glass. They were the best offensive rebounding team in the league that year, and also 4th in defensive rebounding. And the Rockets were the top rated defensive rebounding team in the league that first year with Shane, so they were good in their own right. Utah was just a bad matchup.

 

Sorry. All I am saying decisions at that time were suspect. You could say CD did this...JVG did other things

We had our superstars.... but our bench was bad....and old......and Luther Head as your top rookie is not going to get it done.
No offense to Chuck Hayes also. He did what he could.
it would have helped to ship Juwon out.

 

Indeed.... losing at home hurts and we could have had this easy.
Again personnel decisions. Shane did what he could. You just can't have Alston and Hayes in the starting line up. We could have had a worse record but another opponent I guess.

 

Regardless if it was for Rudy Gay or not! Giving away top 8 picks for role players has never and WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN! It was a garbage idea! PERIOD! Rudy Gay or not.