I have posted on different thread that this is the failure on JVG part. Every player wants to be a hero or a saver. There is nothing wrong with it. Some players are intelligent enough to know their limits, but some don't. It is up to the coach to control that. It is the coach who knows the best which player is most efficient in the team. I like the word "efficient" you mentioned. I brought up Lakers not because I am fond of Kobe or anything, but I do have repect for PJ. He can get his players under control. In Rockets right now, Yao is the most efficient guy. No matter how many TOs he has, as long as he get his shots, he still bring us Ws. We all know that it is hard to get the ball to Yao, especially when he is double or triple teamed, role players still need to keep trying. If they don't, how can Yao ever learn how to handle that situation? I have to tell you that Yao is a quick learner. Why am I saying that? The reason is simple. I have been in U.S. for over 20years and my English is still not as good as his. He will learn how to take care of double/triple team situation as long as you give him the chance. Please realize that eventhough he is double/triple teamed, his efficiency is still higher than Alston making the open shot. If you agree with me on this efficiency stuff, then you should agree with me on the claim that Yao didn't get enough touches or take enough shots. This is all in relative term.
Perhaps you forgot we lost the game when Yao had 33/16 against Detroit. Why? His 8 TOs had something to do with it. Yao was 8/18 for the game. If you count the TOs as missed shots (in reality they are worse) he was 8/26, which is not efficient. His 20 FTAs were key though. One of the reasons we only beat Memphis by 8 the first time around (when they were playing their worst) was because Yao had 6 TOs. That was maybe the least enjoyable NBA game I've ever seen. So actually, I don't agree with you that TOs with Yao are something we just have to accept. It's on HIM to reduce his TOs because many of them are his fault. We all agree Alston takes too many shots. He has to find somebody else. It's on JVG and the players to come up with something. The season is still young and we have some time, as long as we win games at a reasonable clip. Of course, the return of "T-Mac" would almost solve everything. Bottom line: I'm all for Yao getting more quality touches. We all are. The key to increasing them is the other players must hit shots. "T-Mac", where are you? We miss you.
The way you calculated is not quiet right. He shots were at least 16/26 because he got 33 points the whole game. When he did not make the shot, he was fouled and he went to the foul line and made up for it. If you talked about that game, he is supper efficient (16/26). Did Alston got fouled a lot when he missed. How many shots did Yao take in the 4th Qtr? What happened was that guards tried to be the heros and they failed. They forgot that there was a 7'6 guy in the court.
Perhaps you didn't check your facts... Yao shot 20 free throws... he didn't make 16 shots... please check your facts before responding. I was there at the game.. I swear every time I turned around Yao was at the line making a free throw. The people around me, knowing I was a Rockets supporter asked... "Does he ever miss a free throw?" "Rarely" was my response.
Some of you clowns just never learn. It's always about your perception instead of what objectively happened.... Yao never re-entered the Pistons' game in Q4 until 8:23 with the scored tied at 85. The other Rockets on the court were McGrady, Snyder, Howard and Head. The Pistons sagged the paint a little but basically Rasheed Wallace manhandled Yao 1 on 1. Yao's first Q4 shot didn't draw iron, Flip Murray stole the ball from Yao in a quick double team and Sheed blocked Yao straight up at the 1:41 mark. I'm outta here...the aroma is really starting to smell like YOF....
Am I the only one who thinks Clyde Drexler's commentry is crap? He talks rubbish throughout the whole game. Every game.
Rafer is not a shoot first pg. I too have noticed his insane amount of shot attempts on at team with Yao and Tmac on it, but I believe he's only shooting becuz he has confidence in his shot. It's good to shoot with confidence and I'm glad he shoots with confidence BUT he's shooting a little too much ... When he's like 0-5 from 3pt land and still shooting with this confidence ... then ya, he needs to calm down. But he is definetly not a shoot first pg. Just recently he seems to be takin too many shots. Back to Yao ... the reason the Rockets seemed to suddenly stop givin the ball to Yao after that timeout by the suns because we had just taken the lead, is because they simply triple teamed yao on and off the ball. Like T-Mac said, those 38 3pt attempts were "good shots" in that they were decently open to wide open shots. We just missed far too many. Yao is not a player who's goin to shoot in a triple team. He's been taught to do the right thing and pass the ball out. So Phoenix starting hammering down on Yao, thus leading to more 3pt attempts from the kickouts to our shooters. Phoenix sacrificed their perimeter defence to double and triple Yao and hope that someone else would beat them. Their strategy worked and they won the game.
I don't know why people brought up Yao's TOs in Detroit game again. I remember someone said Yao killed the game because of his 8 TOs, while the fact is he had only 2 TOs in Q4 with one being 3-second violation parhaps. So Yao was bad because Rasheed handled him 1-on-1. How about Tmac was handled by Rip 1-on-1? Why do some people always pick on Yao for his mistakes while he has contributed much more?
Off course he didn't. I was responding to A_3PO. If he calculated Yao's TOs as misses. He should count the missed shots due to the foul as hits because Yao made the free throws. The total points Yao got was 33, so divided by 2 was equvalent to 16.5. I said 16 to be conservative. 16/26 is still very efficient according to my standard. 26 was come up by A_3PO, which includes the misses and the TOs. We should not count all TOs as misses because some of them are not Yao's fault, but I am ok with it and still demonstrate that Yao is still very efficient eventhough you count 8 TOs as his misses.
ok the rockets are shooting 30+ 3pters against who??? the suns... instead of pounding them inside. well atleast if they knock down 20 of those 30 3pters then i wont say anything, sigh
because we have some selfish ball hog aka rafer alston on our team who can only shoot bricks. if rafer have more attempts than yao ming and having a lower percentage, then he played a selfish game. of course, if yao shot 10 times and made only 1 of them, then he should let others take care of the offence game. (i hope that would never happen )
I agree with Tmac. Under the circumstance, we have done the right thing which is shooting the wide-open 3-pointers. LIke Tmac said, they were 'good shots'. Yes the 3s didn't fall but it doesn't mean it was not the right strategy. What we need to do next time is to shoot the 3 pointers better, not to change the strategy.
Sorry but I hate this 'Yao should get quality touches' bs. He is our main offensive weapon here. I will take Yao's 15 for 30 every night than some fool on the team bricking from all over. As for the TOs, if Yao keep worrying about turn the ball over every time, he is going to turn the ball for sure. He needs to open up and just play and shoot more. There is no time for you to stay low Yao, its about damn time you bring your game to another level.
Yao needs to stop passing it from the low post. i've seen him on many occasions establish a great position in the low post and for some odd reason, he kicks it out to a primeter player.
That's what the in-and-out game is all about. Unless he's right under the basketball, he should pass the ball out if he sees a teammate wide-open standing behind the 3-point arc. And I haven't seen Yao pass the ball out when he was right under the net. So I do not know what kind of 'great position' you are talking about.
Prior to reading this post-match article from Wang Meng, I also was blaming Yao Ming's team mates, particularly the guards, ignoring him in 4Q, right after he sparked a 16 ~ 3 run in 3Q to climb out of a big hole dug out in 1H, as Jeff Van Gundy gambled but backfired by starting Steve Novak, who played poorly in defense (as compared to Chuck Hayes), and thus in turn resulted in Yao Ming got into early foul troubles. But hey guys..... stop blaming the guards (other than I hate their brick-laying), but as Yao Ming confessed: "It was not my team mates did not pass me the rocks; it was me that could not get into better position to get the rocks. I'm totally drained of my energy by 4Q." Here is the summary of that article from Wang Meng:- After reading what Yao Ming said, a big question popped up in my mind. Why JVG chose to play Yao Ming against Steve Nash ? Why not let some quicker and more agile Rockets to do the job, and let Yao Ming stayed put under the low post in defense against Amare Stoudemire???
When he has a single defender on his back and has a good shot open, he has to take it. if he dosent, then fine try to hit the primeter player. i rather yao brick it then alston or someone else.
When Steve Nash does a PnR with Yao's man, is Yao supposed to do nothing and just let Nash have a wide open lane or wide open shot? That's what will happen if Yao doesn't at least "show". What makes Nash so devastating with the PnR is he will thread the pass through a needle to the rolling teammate. PnR defense will always be a weakness of Yao. We can only minimize how vulnerable he is. The Suns will consistently run that play against us and there is no simple formula to stop it, esp with a PG like Nash. The use it against every team in the NBA, not just us (or Yao). So Yao got tired in the 4th quarter against the Suns, huh? No surprise there. We expended so much energy coming back in the 3rd quarter the whole team ran out of gas. If Yao hadn't got in foul trouble in the 1st half we wouldn't have fallen behind by 22 in the first place.
