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Why can't We Develop a PG...

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by javal_lon, Jan 1, 2022.

  1. AlperenSengun

    AlperenSengun Member

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    Your diagnosis 'The need for a true PG is drastically overlooked' is correct but why develop that? At this point any decent pass first or pass at some point pg would be better that Kevin 'the potential' Porter Junior. But at the heart of the problem is Silas. Because this team does not have talent that can create its own shot and yet tries to run plays without ball movement. And those plays are not executed fast enough. The defenses close up, we end up with Kpj or wood running into double, triple teams or taking a contested or step somewhere low percentage shot. I am terrified by the number of open 3s we create and how comfortable the players look taking contested 3s. A good PG would be perfect but this team plays below its potential without the pg anyways.
     
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  2. jcmoon

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    We don't have a traditonal point guard in our offense. but one thing is clear, KPJ aint one. he doesn't have the handles to do so. Christopher and even nix have better handles than him. I was glad to see green having the ball more this game, both in transition and in the half court. I think we are just running point guard by committe until we get a better one through the draft of free agency. I guess that's why they signed that dude from UH recently. But don't worry! the future is bright! Christopher and Green look like future stars! Christopher has good enough handles to develop into a point guard and was playing the one a lot yesterday with Lowry guarding him. Green looks like a stud. We didn't miss on him at all. he's better than cunningham for sure. you just can't teach athletiscm and he's got it. blazing speed and first step with a lethal shot. both are rookies just need more game time and the ball handling will come in time.
     
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  3. TEXNIFICENT

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    The Triangle wouldn’t be dead if you had MJ, Scottie, or Kobe, Shaq & Phil running it.
     
  4. bmelo

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    Because we dont play real basketball since Harden came here
     
  5. Cstyle42

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    Hardest position to learn. John Stockton even sat out his rookie year.
     
  6. heypartner

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    Seems to me they are developing Josh’s PG skills just fine. He’s no longer “looking to get his.”

    Now if you’re saying you don’t care about developing Josh as a PG, and want a 100% pure PG like Lowry/Dragic/Paul, that’s another thing.

    but don’t deny they are doing what you are saying by developing Josh — a mid-round pick, etc, etc
     
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  7. conquistador#11

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    My answer to this will always be Tyus Jones! Who? Tyus Jones.

    Nix, I'm intrigued by him. He could be develop into one.
     
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  8. JayZ750

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    What’s the best historical comp for someone like KPJ? Lien who is that player in the past that wasn’t a PG but you turned him into one successfully?
     
  9. conquistador#11

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    Ron Harper is the only dude that comes to mind but that was towards the end of his career.
    KPJ is also the highest rated defender on the roster.
     
  10. KingCheetah

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    What do you mean by 'We'?
     
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  11. banzai

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    Let’s face it, scoot is a wanna be James Harden.
     
  12. Dankstronaut

    Dankstronaut Way, way out here.

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    How disingenuous is it to say "draft and develop a point guard" and in the same post take a dump on Porter?

    Because 3 games into that hypothetical point guard's first season, when he inevitably has a high turnover, poor performance kind of game... you would be on this forum with some "Hypothetical Point is looking like a miss" type thread.

    Porter is developing. Green is too. Give them time and give us a break with this "Porter a wing/Porter a 6th man" nonsense. You wanna hate him go ahead I guess, but at least stop pretending like you have the patience to let a player develop while you are actively not giving a young player time/space to develop.
     
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  13. daywalker02

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    It is a Clutchfans Civil War and it won't transpire to the player directly.

    That player would not even care if he heard of it, rest assured!

    Nothing is happening, players are not triggered.

    It is nice that CFers are worried.
     
  14. torque

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    James Harden?
     
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    By no means easy or fool proof, there is the free agency or trade route.

    We are still in the early innings of the rebuild. KPJ is the relatively low risk, high reward developmental PG. I don’t really see Green as a PG unless he takes a large, unexpected leap. Maybe next season Sengun gets a larger role running the offense.
     
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  16. DaDakota

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    Are you kidding, Steph is not a true PG, he is a combo guard......there are very few real PG's left...CP3, and who else? Most are led by scoring points now....

    The Rockets won without a true PG......the days of one guy controlling the point are over, it is better to have 2 players that can attack, one may be the primary but if both can attack you are much more dangerous.

    The Celtics won without a traditional point......the old celts not the Rondo ones.....

    So, you can win, without a PG....PGs are a rarity, and aren't really needed.

    DD
     
  17. Rocket River

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    Kyle Lowry was not always Kyle Lowry
    How long did it take him to become Kyle Lowry

    Agreed

    I understand
    It is a matter of patience.
    Even with KPJ
    Honestly. . . If I had to say . . . .

    It is not the lack of patience .. . . it is the lack of teachers
    Who taught the best point guards?
    Who on our coaching Staff can . . better yet Will?

    one would think John Lucas would have the ability
    but he seems to focus on the "stay out of trouble" part more than anything

    Rocket River
     
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  18. javal_lon

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    Agreed .. There aren't many good ones left because the NBA got enamored with high volume shooting combo guards.. Doesn't mean you can't utilize them .. Now everybody on the court initiates offense which is cool but the teams that are successful have a rare historically great player that they go through... Too early to tell if we have that player in Green or someone else... But in the process, I'm in the mindset to grab a throwback PG type(whether FA or prospect) to orchestrate plays and sets till Green or whoever becomes that great option... There's way too much isolated offensive talent here to be so undisciplined and erratic when it comes to team play. A younger version of DJ Augustine or even a Rondo type may help during certain parts of the game IMO.. sorry for the bold print, can't undo this **** lol
     
  19. Rocket River

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    What did we have before? How successful was it?

    The question we have to ask is do we want success or an aesthetic?
    We had an aesthetic with T-Wack . . .. meant nothing
    We had success with Harden . . . . evidently that means nothing here

    We just still have not had the ultimate success.
    Which is all that matters evidently . .. .

    Rocket River
     
  20. larsv8

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    No worries,

    Ja Morant target on e he forces his way out of Memphis.
     

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